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Re: Depression

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 05 Jun 2017, 16:38:04

Revi wrote:So sorry to hear this SeaGypsy. People can wreak a lot of havoc in other people's lives with their mental illness.
Hang in there.



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My wife is a bit of a nutter too, two days prior she (im 99% sure) deliberately crashed her Hyundai into my Mercedes, which I bought myself as a 50th birthday present. Idiot didn't realise it's comprehensively insured & I'm obliged to report it & get it fixed. We separated again 6 months ago, by now I'm supposed to have- lost my job, gone mad, sleeping in the gutter, wearing out my sneakers, stinking. She doesn't like my success without her. Spite can be a form of mental illness.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby dolph9 » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 12:32:05

I had two major depression episodes before I even knew about peak oil. Since then I've had another, buy my thought processes were immature even then.

As I study peak oil and collapse more, the less depressed I get about it. I see it as something of a corrective, in fact. And a license to do what I want. If civilization is collapsing, and it is, that means that your obligations to it are nil. Within reason of course, obviously it helps to get a good income and have a comfortable life.

But think of the billions who are working so hard, stressing about this or the other! If only they realized everything is going to come down, think of how cooler and more interesting they would be. They would become part timers, philosophers, stoners, etc.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 12:40:34

SeaGypsy wrote: by now I'm supposed to have- lost my job, gone mad, sleeping in the gutter, wearing out my sneakers, stinking. She doesn't like my success without her. Spite can be a form of mental illness.


Folks need to remember that autonomy makes you a lot nicer person. Dependency makes you nasty and bitchy!
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 12:49:17

dolph9 wrote:
But think of the billions who are working so hard, stressing about this or the other! If only they realized everything is going to come down, think of how cooler and more interesting they would be. They would become part timers, philosophers, stoners, etc.


This is a fundamental existential insight that does need peak oil or collapse. Internalizing and meditating on your eventual death as a mortal being is all you need to set yourself free. If any given wage slave or factory worker really really stops a moment and understands the blessing of their mortal existence this should eclipse any worldly concerns and set them free. But very few make this a daily meditation. In fact most avoid these thoughts. Be grateful for this and for all those on the treadmill. Imagine the anarchy if all 7.5 billion had this insight.

I have often believed that a big part of the doomer mind set is externalizing ones inevitable mortality on to a set of external factors be it Y2K, climate change, peak oil, pandemics, wars, etc. and then getting all messed up in the head obsessing over it when really what they are actually obsessing over is not yet having fully come to grasps with the inevitable collapse that happens as their biological clock slowly but surely through the decades brings them closer and closer to their last dying breath.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 12:58:37

I for one think about it too much! Freaking thrilled to be retired and returned to my normal immature irresponsible self. Finally a job I can get behind, one I love, RETIREMENT.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 13:26:06

Sea,

My ex-wife was also a nutter. I was quite literally afraid for my life towards the end, the last year or so. It runs in her family. I knew her Grand Mother, her two aunts. Her Father, and brother. All nutters. I thought is skipped her Father but in the end he left a will designed to damage any remaining family ties. Nasty stuff.

Unfortunately it has infected one of my sons badly and he is not doing well. Another seems to have it but is functional, at a distance. I'm not seeing it in any of the grand kids so far. It's a different type of affliction that I don't know how to name. The most common, obvious trait is a desire, need, to destroy and/or alienate other family members. It's "anti-family." At times it goes beyond simple hatefulness to malicious engagement. Almost as if instead of suicide you wanted to kill your family.

I don't know how someone could diagnose this without seeing it expressed over the generations. And I've never heard of it discussed or mentioned elsewhere. But it is a clear pattern, once you view it across generations.

Why I got involved in that family is a mystery to me. That I got out is like having a life sentence to Devils Island commuted. My one son who seems to have escaped it has come to a similar conclusion. Which is a pity that the three boys and their Mother should be estranged from one another, but inevitable. Obviously it still effects me to some extent. I retain what relationships I can but all I can do is not engage in the hate. And wait.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Revi » Wed 07 Jun 2017, 09:52:11

Back to Depression. We all feel that we are just cogs in some gigantic system, and that gives us a feeling of being dependent. I find that doing small things like growing a garden or running a small business help me to feel a sense of agency, or the ability to affect my life. I find I am too busy to become very depressed. It doesn't completely cover my sadness, but it keeps me busy. Just knowing about peak oil and climate change is a bit of a bummer.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 07 Jun 2017, 10:25:58

Revi - "It doesn't completely cover my sadness". Just like you're not paranoid if they are really after you. Being sad/depressed is OK if there's a valid reason. What's important is how you respond to it.

For instance just last week I was just diagnosed with trigeminal neuralgia, a rare and extremely (but sporadic) painful complication of MS. Started a new medication on Tuesday. So what do I do: get mad? Curse Dog? Let anger/depression control my dealings with others? Except with my wife, of course: she wouldn't put up with my crap. LOL.

No, I just keep my mouth shut and deal with it. Long I learned the best way (for me at least) to deal with pain: don't take it personally. Just part of " sh*t happens". LOL.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Wed 07 Jun 2017, 17:24:20

ROCKMAN wrote:No, I just keep my mouth shut and deal with it. Long I learned the best way (for me at least) to deal with pain: don't take it personally. Just part of " sh*t happens". LOL.

Rock - you make me proud to be an old guy too.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 07 Jun 2017, 20:22:46

We planted 4 fruit trees today, 2 pear & 2 plum. At the hunting cabin. They are plant and forget. They may not survive because we aren't here to care for them, just passing through. But it made us feel good, like we did something for our kids, not to mention the simple exercise and fresh air.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Revi » Thu 08 Jun 2017, 07:48:33

I am still working, so that is the reason for some of my depression. I am going to have to fill the time when I am retired or I can see getting depressed. I am thinking of retiring next year, if I can afford to do it. I am pretty sure I am not going to live to a really old age, so maybe it's going to be time to cash out of the system and start to live a different way. A lot of the reason for my sadness has to do with things out of my control.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 08 Jun 2017, 09:46:50

Get a boat, never more a free moment!

But seriously, there are very, very few things within our control. There are a couple of excellent TED talks on happiness. It may be one of the few things we can sway, if not control.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby aldente » Thu 15 Jun 2017, 22:25:22

Newfie wrote:Sea,

My ex-wife was also a nutter. I was quite literally afraid for my life towards the end, the last year or so. It runs in her family. I knew her Grand Mother, her two aunts. Her Father, and brother. All nutters. I thought is skipped her Father but in the end he left a will designed to damage any remaining family ties. Nasty stuff.

Unfortunately it has infected one of my sons badly and he is not doing well. Another seems to have it but is functional, at a distance. I'm not seeing it in any of the grand kids so far. It's a different type of affliction that I don't know how to name. The most common, obvious trait is a desire, need, to destroy and/or alienate other family members. It's "anti-family." At times it goes beyond simple hatefulness to malicious engagement. Almost as if instead of suicide you wanted to kill your family.

I don't know how someone could diagnose this without seeing it expressed over the generations. And I've never heard of it discussed or mentioned elsewhere. But it is a clear pattern, once you view it across generations.

Why I got involved in that family is a mystery to me. That I got out is like having a life sentence to Devils Island commuted. My one son who seems to have escaped it has come to a similar conclusion. Which is a pity that the three boys and their Mother should be estranged from one another, but inevitable. Obviously it still effects me to some extent. I retain what relationships I can but all I can do is not engage in the hate. And wait.


This is not an area of clean answers to be presented on a clean slate...

I met a guy who grew up with migranes. I asked him how he - as a child did or could survive such a thing - daily migranes, mind you - as a kid - and he answered "I do not know".

That certainly was an honest answer and leaves me with my jaw hanging down.

How then - to conclude directly - can anyone endure a full attack of depression?????

ongoing, I mean! Live's destiny for you.., that kind of thing

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Re: Depression

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 16 Jun 2017, 03:53:43

I once had a job where I got a quadriplegic guy out of bed every day (60-90 minute routine), put him back to bed every evening (30 minute routine) every day for about 6 months. Probably the most awesome human being i ever met. Happened to him on his 18th birthday, got beaten up, left in the road & hit by a hit & run driver. He was 24 when I met him, he's 32 now, hasn't moved a muscle below his neck since that day. He has no bitterness, no anger, no resentment, a measure of hope, a beautiful mind & a whole lot of love in his life. Since Barry, i can't get depressed, he knocked it out of me forever.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby AgentR11 » Fri 16 Jun 2017, 09:17:52

ROCKMAN wrote:No, I just keep my mouth shut and deal with it. Long I learned the best way (for me at least) to deal with pain: don't take it personally. Just part of " sh*t happens". LOL.


Well... you deal with it by responsibly managing your health and taking your meds.

Now while exceptions exist, for most people appropriate mental health care is sufficient to deal with this problem. If just enduring depression improves a person's sense of self worth, by all means do so; but sometimes its as simple as telling a GP that you're depressed and walking out of the office with a script, sometimes its a bit more complicated, but usually manageable.

For the exceptions, I've never understood what's so bad about the previous suggestion where the family just sits on them till the dangerous parts pass. Of course, with modern, broken, tiny, nuclear families, might be more challenging.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 16 Jun 2017, 10:30:39

What a heck of a story Sea. We on this site could have more than most to be depressed about given what info we are following. But depression is a sure way to unhappiness. Smile and smile even more at adversity
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Re: Depression

Unread postby aldente » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 01:32:39

Hawkcreek wrote:
EdwinSm wrote:Being in the thread of Peak Oil Discussion, are you referring to a depression in oil prices, a depression in oil production, or a feeling of depression at not seeing more of that naked women???

ps. If you think that last item has nothing to do with Peak Oil need I remind you of the source material for condoms etc?

I vote for the last item.
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It certainly is possible to drop habits (1), to deal with them (2) and/or to assimilate (3) - if necessary.

The latter option, to my understanding is the worst case outcome, e-g, archonic posession and complete loss of self (not control - mind you)

Example: person x likes beer, meth and porn.

He drops porn after 10 years without effort (since he or she did not grow up with it), reduces beer by 94 per cent in immediatcy data (copyright Clif High) over the show case of 2 months while improving all health parameters.

What does that make him?

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Re: Depression

Unread postby aldente » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 01:47:12

SeaGypsy wrote:I once had a job where I got a quadriplegic guy out of bed every day (60-90 minute routine), put him back to bed every evening (30 minute routine) every day for about 6 months. Probably the most awesome human being i ever met. Happened to him on his 18th birthday, got beaten up, left in the road & hit by a hit & run driver. He was 24 when I met him, he's 32 now, hasn't moved a muscle below his neck since that day. He has no bitterness, no anger, no resentment, a measure of hope, a beautiful mind & a whole lot of love in his life. Since Barry, i can't get depressed, he knocked it out of me forever.


I never did experience depression in the first place neither, putting me even further behind the 8 ball, I guess that when a truly depressed meets a truly non depressed person in the first place it would be like the encounter of an alien species for the first time...

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Re: Depression

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 05:03:34

No, I've been there. It's more like total disconnect between the essential elements of the sense of self, full internal dissonance & isolation. Nobody elses state is significant.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 05:53:34

I think it can slip up on you without knowing it. It slowly becomes your new norm. If you don't have some way to reset, to get away from the grind, get some distance and reflect, well you may never know you are depressed.
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