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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Cog » Fri 02 Jun 2017, 12:50:11

KaiserJeep wrote:
Cog wrote:I'm glad for two things. First that Hillary is not president. Second, that KJ never will be.


That almost borders on an ad hominem, Cog. How about instead of knocking me personally, you comment on what I said?


I thought I just did. Trump was elected to represent the will of his electorate. He is doing this. Your opinions of how you would do things differently are irrelevant. You are either on board with what he is doing or you can wait for another four years and run for office yourself. Am I clear?
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 02 Jun 2017, 13:21:08

No, you are the opposite of clear. Although I understand your philosophy, I believe that a representative Democracy requires both critics and supporters of individual politicians. Although I am not a Republican, I favor more of their political positions than I do the Dimmycrats. But that does not mean that I will fail to criticize their weaknesses, either. Because the thing that I hate most about our particular constitutional republic is the extreme bipartisanship.

Point of fact, both the two major parties date back to the American Civil War, otherwise known as the zenith of bipartisan politics, when we fought the bitterest, most destructive war in either American history or current events, because we forgot that most important principle, which is part of this country's British heritage, that concept called "the Loyal Opposition".

Without that concept, we descend towards another Civil War, even more destructive than the first. So I call upon you to reason about Trump and his deeds, rather than to blindly support a Republican administration.

Because the next Civil War might well be a nuclear conflict. YES, that's the worst case, but still possible.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Cog » Fri 02 Jun 2017, 13:26:13

We are going to have another Civil War and I am glad you brought up that point. It is inevitable and I intend to be on the winning side of it.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 02 Jun 2017, 13:42:12

By the way, you do understand that Trump was a Liberal Democrat all his life, and has not changed in any important way, correct?

He is above all else, an Egotist.

If you want to understand Trump (which in all fairness is likely to spoil the way you obviously relish bipartisan politics) then watch the NetFlix documentary Get Me Roger Stone, which is nominally the biography of his on again/off again campaign manager, but contains a lot about Trump and how he came to win the election for POTUS.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 02 Jun 2017, 13:58:23

Cog wrote:We are going to have another Civil War and I am glad you brought up that point. It is inevitable and I intend to be on the winning side of it.


Care to expand on that please? I have my own ideas about likely civil conflict that may or may not be defined as civil war.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Cog » Sat 03 Jun 2017, 06:17:32

Newfie wrote:
Cog wrote:We are going to have another Civil War and I am glad you brought up that point. It is inevitable and I intend to be on the winning side of it.


Care to expand on that please? I have my own ideas about likely civil conflict that may or may not be defined as civil war.


To answer that question properly would require that I write a weighty tome worthy of Sixstrings or Tolstoy. But I will simplify. People think I hang out on Fox news or Rush Limbaugh all day to get my briefings. Where I actually hang our are places like CNN, live feeds of demonstrations, Democratic Underground, and the like. As much as the right burned with a fair bit of rage about eight years of Obama, the other side is incandescent with anger.

On issue after issue over the last eight years the right has felt that social changes were rammed down their throats by either the Obama or the courts. Gay marriage, Confederate flags, HealthCare, a president that seemed more interested in being part of the global gang than addressing their concerns. Along comes Hillary who more or less wants to continue all of the above.

Bring in Donald Trump. A populist who says the right things for the right. A chance to stick it back to the left using Trump as the weapon. That happened. The left goes insane. Russsia, Russia, Russia is the mantra, Impeach Trump, lets tear some stuff up. The news, if you want to call it that, is so inflammatory and caustic, its not even worthy of what we call news.

The split between left and right which more or less parallels the split between the cities and what lies outside them has intensified. The spark to get people shooting at each other is out there somewhere. A recession, impeachment, something. When it happens it won't be pleasant at all. Now I realize this makes me a doomer of sorts which I regret mightily but I see no healing of the divide without separation. When the left speaks about social justice and gender fluidity, with the end result of shutting down what they call hate speech, its like they are speaking in tongues. They aren't my country-men.

I've already written too much and I hope I'm wrong about this.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby dissident » Sat 03 Jun 2017, 07:27:21

One positive thing that will likely be the outcome of the events of the last year will be the clarification and affirmation for people on the US right that the mass media is totally biased to a narrow part of the political spectrum. Even Republican congressmen and senators are compromised. The system is not there for 50% of America's population. It isn't there even form most of the other 50% who think they are liberals. When did Democrats become Sharia pimps and stopped being about worker's rights? Trump was the only candidate who actually promoted worker's rights. The vast majority of the public are not obsessed with political correctness. Political correctness and an associated narrow political agenda are being rammed down people's throats. Both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are compromised and push this agenda. Trump winning the presidency was a real coup against this phony consensus. I hope he can persevere.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 03 Jun 2017, 08:06:56

Cog,

We hve a lot of similarity of thought but also significant differences. I don't think see the Left as sufficiently cohesive to threaten the Right. I do agree the Left is incindeary and I'll add that they are pandering to ethnic and other special interest group. So there is a lot of availiabke energy there awaiting the right spark. But it is, ironically, diverse, of unified. So what I can see occurring is that there may be local conflagrations, they may even be coincident, occurring in several cities at a time.

The media will play this up and feed it, to the point where they feel threatened, then they will start screaming for the government to exert control. The Left simply has no solution, no methodology for exerting order.

IMHO, and very simply put, governments job is to keep us from killing one another. The USA Left is about sowing disorder. The Right is more cohesive but geographically dispersed and unlikely to jump to the task of bailing out the burning cities. So we will be left with a situation where the pent up anger needs to burn itself out until some new national meme arises. What that will be is anyone's guess.

Just my 2¢. Rumminations.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby ralfy » Sat 03 Jun 2017, 08:13:32

Repost and related:

"Exposing How Donald Trump Really Made His Fortune: Inheritance from Dad and the Government's Protection Mostly Did the Trick"

http://www.alternet.org/story/156234/ex ... _the_trick
http://sites.google.com/site/peakoilreports/
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 03 Jun 2017, 11:23:47

Cog wrote:. Now I realize this makes me a doomer of sorts which I regret mightily but I see no healing of the divide without separation


How would we separate? There is not really a geographical division. There is somewhat an urban / rural division but you can't really separate along those lines can you.

What about external threats that unify and causes the domestic polarity to dissolve? Would our government incite a war to unify the way Thatcher did with the Faukland / Malvinas Islands?


Note: I actually did separate from the whole polarity by exiting the country. I stand on the outside looking in and it looks wacky in there.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 03 Jun 2017, 15:12:15

Ditto Ibon,

Very wacky.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 03 Jun 2017, 16:53:18

The separation is starting................

https://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/20 ... iance.html


Federalism is coming to the rescue of our planet, and not a moment too soon. Today is one of those days to be grateful to our founders for devising a plan of government that requires power to be shared between the federal government.

In response to President Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, California Governor Edmund [Jerry] G. Brown Jr., and Washington State Governor Jay Inslee today announced the formation of the United States Climate Alliance, a coalition that will convene U.S. states committed to upholding the Paris Climate Agreement and taking aggressive action on climate change.

“I am proud to stand with other governors as we make sure that the inaction in D.C. is met by an equal force of action from the states,” said Inslee. “Today’s announcement by the president leaves the full responsibility of climate action on states and cities throughout our nation. While the president’s actions are a shameful rebuke to the work needed to protect our planet for our children and grandchildren, states have been and will continue to step up.”
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 03 Jun 2017, 21:43:16

Cog wrote:
Newfie wrote:
Cog wrote:We are going to have another Civil War and I am glad you brought up that point. It is inevitable and I intend to be on the winning side of it.


Care to expand on that please? I have my own ideas about likely civil conflict that may or may not be defined as civil war.


To answer that question properly would require that I write a weighty tome worthy of Sixstrings or Tolstoy. But I will simplify. People think I hang out on Fox news or Rush Limbaugh all day to get my briefings. Where I actually hang our are places like CNN, live feeds of demonstrations, Democratic Underground, and the like. As much as the right burned with a fair bit of rage about eight years of Obama, the other side is incandescent with anger.

On issue after issue over the last eight years the right has felt that social changes were rammed down their throats by either the Obama or the courts. Gay marriage, Confederate flags, HealthCare, a president that seemed more interested in being part of the global gang than addressing their concerns. Along comes Hillary who more or less wants to continue all of the above.

Bring in Donald Trump. A populist who says the right things for the right. A chance to stick it back to the left using Trump as the weapon. That happened. The left goes insane. Russsia, Russia, Russia is the mantra, Impeach Trump, lets tear some stuff up. The news, if you want to call it that, is so inflammatory and caustic, its not even worthy of what we call news.

The split between left and right which more or less parallels the split between the cities and what lies outside them has intensified. The spark to get people shooting at each other is out there somewhere. A recession, impeachment, something. When it happens it won't be pleasant at all. Now I realize this makes me a doomer of sorts which I regret mightily but I see no healing of the divide without separation. When the left speaks about social justice and gender fluidity, with the end result of shutting down what they call hate speech, its like they are speaking in tongues. They aren't my country-men.

I've already written too much and I hope I'm wrong about this.


You ascribe to a philosophy of hate and exclusion.

My only response to that is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53XyCbIJGKY

You just want a civil war so you can kill those you disagree with.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 04 Jun 2017, 02:29:41

I prefer this one from the era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLsElbW9Xo
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby dissident » Sun 04 Jun 2017, 07:49:38

http://news.antiwar.com/2017/06/02/form ... ssia-ties/

Obama's legacy. Bureaucrats who think they run the USA regardless of election results. These vermin need to be hunted down with extreme prejudice. Let the fake stream media bray. The more it engages in brazen politically motivated propaganda, the less credibility it has with the public.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 04 Jun 2017, 09:30:25

Dis,
Interesting article. Unfortunately it does not contain any direct quotes or other sources. Without further confirmation it is one mans opinion.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sun 04 Jun 2017, 09:38:30

Trump threatens to sue political cartoonist Berkley Breathed for using his face in one of his 'Bloom county' cartoons:

http://www.gocomics.com/bloom-county/2017/05/30

Too funny to make this stuff up. The number of times Ronald Reagan appeared in 'Bloom county' in the 80's and no reaction, now Trump is suing a cartoonist for defamation of character:

http://www.gocomics.com/bloom-county/2017/06/02

http://www.gocomics.com/bloom-county/2017/06/03
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby dissident » Sun 04 Jun 2017, 09:55:04

Newfie wrote:Dis,
Interesting article. Unfortunately it does not contain any direct quotes or other sources. Without further confirmation it is one mans opinion.


I guess the incidents in Syria are not good enough evidence for you. It's always "shit happens" instead of "deliberate shit happens". Whatever, America is not the only factor on this planet.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 04 Jun 2017, 10:22:49

Dis,

Each news piece should have some backup to be believed.

Does not seem too much to ask.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 1

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 09 Jun 2017, 11:58:58

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