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Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby GHung » Sun 10 Sep 2017, 09:30:21

Jose appears to be going a lot of nowhere.....

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.....but may loop back on itself and head west.
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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby Yoshua » Sun 10 Sep 2017, 09:36:56

Cog wrote:Depends on if you believe in models Yoshua. Jose is supposed to end veering away from Florida into the Atlantic. We see how well that turned out for Irma.


We believe in scientific models that are predictive. Hurricane models are bit more tricky.

Jose have so far followed Irma's track. Irma was supposed to push Jose out into the Atlantic when Irma was supposed to go up east of Florida. Irma is now heading West of Florida and will no longer push Jose out into the Atlantic.

But that analyse is just based on my guessing model which is not scientific...
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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby Yoshua » Sun 10 Sep 2017, 10:00:04

Irma as it moves up the West cost of Florida.

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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 10 Sep 2017, 17:56:37

Posts from elsewhere related to st Marten and Anguilla. Just to get a sense of the situation.


CARIBBEAN UPDATE
This update is at 9am Eastern Friday 8th Sep 2017. The aftermath of Irma. Update on the Caribbean Islands:
1.St.Martin French & Dutch- Badly damaged. Currently ships are heading there this afternoon they should have supplies. No communication via telephone is active right now. About 95% personal property and hotels are badly damaged. The airport is off limit right now. So contact with family is very difficult but will hopefully re-open by tomorrow latest.
2. Tortola - Everything is gone. East End is badly damaged. Even for those who are on the hills. The winds were terrible and broke , tore and smashed in everything. Communication lines are still down. Hopefully by tomorrow also. Stay put and keep ears to ground.
3. Virgin Gorda & Arnegarda - Destroyed. Majority flooded by water . out of communication, won't be up until mainland restored.
4. Antigua & Barbuda. - Antigua is ok. Recovering and trying to evacuate persons from Barbuda who losteverything.
5. St.Thomas - USVI Students on campus are safe. Outskirts are in terrible condition. Communication still down, currently working to be restored.
6. Anguilla - Damaged badly also. Minimal communication, but working on restoring in some areas is a task. Also because near to sea, there's still tremendous flooding in certain areas.
7. St.Barts - Damaged. No power No communication.

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for evacuation on sunday from st martin

Royal Caribbean International announced on Saturday afternoon that it was sending ships to St. Thomas and St. Maarten in a bid to not only provide supplies, but transport evacuees following Hurricane Irma.

The Adventure of the Seas will make a humanitarian stop in St. Maarten on Sunday and Majesty of the Seas will make humanitarian calls in St. Thomas and St. Maarten to provide supplies and also assist in transporting evacuees in St. Maarten to safety, the company said.

The September 15 cruise aboard the Majesty of the Seas has been cancelled and the ship will be utilized for rescueefforts in the Caribbean.

The Empress of the Seas and Enchantment of the Seas are also ready to assist Key West and Tampa once the impact of the storm is known, Royal Caribbean added.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/c...n-efforts.html

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**LIVE UPDATE** 20:57 GMT 1+
'Relief' on Saint Maarten prior to weaker hurricane Jose
TODAY, 20:57 09sept2017
"It's quiet on the streets," begins Gordon Snow, editor of The Daily Herald on St. Maarten. "The marines have already left some posts. I can not say whether the rest is due to the presence of the marines or that everyone is preparing for the arrival of Hurricane Jose."
Because everybody is preparing for it, he goes on. "There is a feeling of relief here that the storm is going to pass north to us, that's a sip of a drink. It's nice that we do not have to hit the hurricane winds again."
Expectations Hurricane Jose
Nothing is as changeable as a hurricane and this is good news for Saint Maarten. According to the latest calculations, Jose travels 120 kilometers along the Caribbean island.
"Jose is a compact hurricane," says weatherman Peter Kuipers Munneke. "As a result, wind speeds are still a lot less high. The speeds will be between 60 and 80 kilometers per hour, which is a lot less fierce than with Hurricane Irma." The hurricane reaches wind speeds of 350 kilometers per hour.
Snow has no power and water. "Water is being distributed, but it is not much. In that respect, we are delighted with the rain that comes with Jose, I have not been able to shower for a number of days. Many generators are operational but one is careful with everything Generators at homes could cause fire. "
It is dry now, it rained a few moments this morning.
Iwan
Iwan and his daughter Cheryl, who are on holiday in St. Maarten, had a very close contact with the outside world today. The NOS talked with them earlier. "We have evacuated Americans from an adjacent hotel. It is dry now, it rained a few hours this morning."
This is all they could tell. Then the power and hence the wifi in the hotel were switched off again.
Volkskrant correspondent Kees Broere is still on the island. "The soldiers and police who are still patrolling must come in soon because it becomes too dangerous for them," he says.
In the field of looting, there is little more to fear, most of them have been plundered.
Kees Broere
"It also means that relief flights are temporarily discontinued. The government has made it clear to people that they must stay in before the arrival of Hurricane Jose."
"In the field of looting, there is little more to fear, most of it has already been plundered," says Broere. Several supermarkets who had something else have even given away things, he says. "A car rental company has given the cars that still do it, given to soldiers so that they can be used at least useful."
Everyone helps each other, I am impressed.
Aron Hoogendoorn from Saba
On Saba, an island that is less affected, it is all better arranged. "Supermarkets still have some food," says Aron Hoogendoorn, the NOS.
"Everyone has enough and different people share each other. There has been a lot of happening in two days, everyone has been working hard to clear all the debris. Everyone helps each other, I'm impressed."
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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 01:58:30

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2 is a unique prime number

> 50% of Florida will be totallly dark in the next nights :idea: :!:

Florida <=> North Korea

Maybe you give me Florida night ISS pictures before and after the IRMA impact.

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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby shortonoil » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 07:42:05

8:00 AM NOAA update 09/11/17

The storm is dissipating rapidly, but the damage along the Northern Florida coast is extensive. With many friends who have homes, and businesses in the Sarasota area I'll be getting first hand reports on the destruction when they return. Whether, or not the US can afford to repair the damage of two major hurricanes is questionable. Let's hope that Jose gets lost in the North Atlantic.

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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 07:52:07

Congress has a blank check for the next three months. Of course we can afford it. LOL
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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 08:35:56

Jose is real and counting 10...9....8....7 ...and it is looking where his sister is hiding....

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http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/201 ... cane-irma/

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THE chaos is a form of order :idea:

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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby donstewart » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 09:12:10

Jose and the European Model
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jpAA_wW5bs

Watch to the end of the short video. Notice how the announcer says that the divergence between the European Model and the pack should not be discounted because the European Model performed the best on Irma. If The European Model turns out to be right for Jose, it could spell more trouble in Florida and the Gulf.

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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 12:03:04

Now things seem to have swung mostly north, with European models tracking Jose from New England to Newfoundland. https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/jose- ... ast-threat
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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 12:23:44

He's a doomer too ...

Humanity Will 'Go Down' If Climate Change Is Not Addressed, Says Pope

ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE (Reuters, AFP) - Pope Francis said the recent spate of hurricanes should prompt people to understand that humanity will "go down" if it does not address climate change and history will judge those who deny the science.

"If we don't turn back, we will go down," Pope Francis told reporters on Sunday (Sept 10) on a plane returning from Colombia to the Vatican City. Francis strongly backed the 2015 Paris agreement on reducing global warming, from which the United States withdrew this year.

Pope Francis spoke as hurricane Irma pounded central Florida as it carved through the state with high winds, storm surges and torrential rains that left millions without power, ripped roofs off homes and flooded city streets.

Pope Francis was asked about recent hurricanes, including Irma and Harvey, and if political leaders who do not want to work with other countries to stem global warming should be held morally responsible for future effects on the planet.

"You can see the effects of climate change and scientists have clearly said what path we have to follow," he said, referring to a consensus by scientists that global warming is caused by human activity such as fossil fuels.

"All of us have a responsibility, all of us, small or large, a moral responsibility. We have to take it seriously. We can't joke about it," he said. "Each person has their own. Even politicians have their own."

"If someone is doubtful that this is true, they should ask scientists. They are very clear. These are not opinions made on the fly. They are very clear. Then each person can decide and history will judge the decisions," he said.

... Mr Trump withdrew from the Paris agreement shortly after visiting the Vatican in May. The Vatican had urged him to stay in the accord.
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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 12:48:09

vox_mundi wrote:He's a doomer too ...

Humanity Will 'Go Down' If Climate Change Is Not Addressed, Says Pope
"If someone is doubtful that this is true, they should ask scientists. They are very clear. These are not opinions made on the fly. They are very clear. Then each person can decide and history will judge the decisions," he said.

... Mr Trump withdrew from the Paris agreement shortly after visiting the Vatican in May. The Vatican had urged him to stay in the accord.


Scientists are't quite as clear cut on this as the Pope imagines.

Scientists are split on the Paris Accords---some think it is useful while others note that it calls for INCREASES in CO2 emissions and so was a colossal waste of time and an unfortunate diversion from the hard work of getting countries to REDUCE their CO2 emissions.

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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 12:54:37

Meanwhile, Jose is looping around and models show it on a path to hit the east coast.

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Wow!

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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 13:42:34

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Maybe our readers want to know whats going on here on earth @ 410 ppm CO2 and 1850 ppb CH4

Nobody else is better to give you a useful lecture than Sir Dr. James Lovelock

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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 18:28:37

dohboi wrote:Now things seem to have swung mostly north, with European models tracking Jose from New England to Newfoundland. https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/jose- ... ast-threat


Greeeeat! I might the one guy here to be impacted by BOTH storms! Big boat seems to have survived Irma in FL. Now Wednesday we are leaving our cabin to take our small boat back to her winter quarters. We should be done befor Jose hits the Rock. But I'll have to watch.
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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 11 Sep 2017, 21:48:05

Yeah, I was obviously thinking about you when I wrote that. Hope it takes a different course for your sake.
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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 12 Sep 2017, 00:59:08

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These before-and-after-Irma shots reveal a browning of the landscape across the northern Leeward Islands. The color change can be produced by vegetation being ripped from trees, as well as by salt-water spray gradually drying out and browning leaves that are still on trees. Image credit: NASA Earth Observatory....
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IRMA hits with the energy of millions of Hiroshima bombs (It "explodes energy" when it hits land => expanding)
Lecture:
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https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/irma- ... -5-million

The lights went out in Florida



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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 12 Sep 2017, 07:09:35

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JOSE is a FREAK Hurricane 8O :shock: :?
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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 12 Sep 2017, 08:24:34

Obviously, or maybe not from watching some comments on and about TV, hurricanes are a common storm/weather pattern. Just like blizzards and droughts.

One feature of hurricanes, which has existed as long as we have been able to track them, is that they are unpredictable. Statistically they have a general track. However, just like humans, you get the odd one and there is no telling what crazy shit that guy will do!

So all the hyperbole about these storms is funny. It just goes to show how detached we have become from Nature. We get cozy in our little man made caves, watching our man made virtual reality and Nature comes by, uninvited, and let's herself in. Imagine that, how rude!

Ther are 2 differences in there modern storms.
Fisrt, they have some more energy because of the warmer water temperatures. Second, they do more damage because there is vastly more stuff to damage and because humans have interfered with the natural drainage flow.

So the greatest threat is not from the storms, it's from the people who make colossially stupid planning decisions forgetting the Nature exists and will occasionally reassert itself.
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Re: Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon Season 2017 Pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 12 Sep 2017, 08:47:49

So the greatest threat is not from the storms, it's from the people who make colossially stupid planning decisions forgetting the Nature exists and will occasionally reassert itself-----

Absolutely, I was commenting about how in the east coast of Florida, development and construction had eradicated those natural barriers that Nature had, the wetlands/marshes. This was from an interview a couple days ago. This is also true on a much larger scale with the way forests have been cut down allowing for much worse flooding.
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