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Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby pstarr » Tue 06 Mar 2012, 14:17:30

Pops wrote:A couple more sorta-MSM articles:
On Forbes blog they talk about the Total exploration chief saying peak is nigh - while at the CERA festivities in Houston :^D

Forbes from yesterday, We’re all entirely out of $80 oil... but high prices are... a good thing... yeah, that's it!


Neither are 'head for the bunker Madge!' but neither are they 'Poo-Poo PO' which I also think is becoming more common, even here in the US. Kind of hard to ignore it really.
Yeah. it's practically happening overnight. Jeez. I just noticed. You arrived here at PO.com a day before my birthday :)
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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby Pops » Tue 06 Mar 2012, 14:29:03

I know!
For a long time I kept wondering why people weren't starting to pay attention to this stuff when it seemed like such a big deal to me.
They'll still be ignoring it in 100 years, commuting on Shanks Mare. lol
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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby pstarr » Tue 06 Mar 2012, 14:40:17

Haven't you noticed a "nicer" me? It took me that long to get through the denial/bargaining/anger/where-ever-I-currently-am? stages. It took me eight years :shock: Hope we have that much time for everyone else to get on board.
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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby misterno » Tue 13 Mar 2012, 09:53:02

Brent Oil hits $126 a new record in the last 4-5 years.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... liveupdate
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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby Anvil » Tue 13 Mar 2012, 15:41:12

Crude Oil Stocks Room to Run
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With Iran waxing belligerent again, oil has been making headlines lately. Stock speculators and investors are anxiously watching its price, gaming how oil stocks are likely to react to various oil-price scenarios. And since the oil complex has already enjoyed a strong upleg, plenty of topping fears exist. But the technicals of oil and the leading oil-stock index, as well as their ratio, show lots of room to run higher yet.




Like everything else, oil and oil stocks were hit hard during the sharp stock-market correction last August and September. Between its late-April high and early-October low, the flagship S&P 500 stock index (SPX) fell 19.4%. Over this same span, oil plunged 32.4% while the benchmark XOI oil-stock index lost 29.1%. Both this commodity and the companies producing it leveraged the SPX losses, which is typical.

Straddling those early-October lows when traders had irrationally convinced themselves that the sky was falling, I was very bullish on oil stocks. With oil falling under $77 and the XOI to 995 on the day the SPX bottomed, the bargains in oil stocks were amazing. I wrote essays in late September and mid-October detailing the fantastic contrarian buying opportunities in the wildly-oversold and unloved oil stocks.

And indeed they soon started rallying. Between our two newsletters, we had deployed 10 oil-stock trades before and during the recent correction’s extreme weakness. At the XOI’s latest interim high on March 1st, their average unrealized gain was nearing 32%. Our eleventh trade was bought out in October at a 44% realized gain. With all these profitable oil-stock trades still on our books, should we be realizing gains?

I don’t think so. The biggest driver of oil and oil stocks by far is the fortunes of the general stock markets. The SPX’s overpowering sentiment bleeds into everything else, thus rising stock markets make traders optimistic about the global economy so they bid up oil and the oil stocks. And as I detailed in an essay on the SPX a month ago, today’s stock-market upleg still has plenty of room to run higher yet.

Provocatively the technicals in oil itself as well as the XOI oil-stock index look very similar to the SPX’s own. The current uplegs in both the commodity and its producers’ stocks remain immature with lots of headroom left. So as these charts show, there is no reason to fear a correction in either oil or the XOI yet. And oil stocks’ greatest gains usually accrue quickly in an upleg’s final couple months, when greed flares brightly.

This first chart looks at crude oil superimposed over a technical indicator called Relative Crude Oil. This rOil construct is based on my super-profitable Relativity trading system. It looks at prices as multiples of their own baseline 200-day moving averages. Over time they form horizontal trading ranges that reveal in real-time whether a price is too overbought (the time to sell high) or too oversold (the time to buy low).



First of all, oil’s mighty cyclical bull since its brutal secondary stock-panic lows in early 2009 has mirrored the general stock markets’ cyclical bull. Like the SPX, oil has seen two major uplegs and two major corrections before today’s in-progress third major upleg. Oil has generally marched higher within a well-defined bull uptrend rendered above. There is zero doubt that oil remains in a strong bull market.

Sometimes oil launches above or slumps below this uptrend, but only for a matter of months at most. Late in uplegs when euphoria reigns it can launch above resistance for a spell, and late in corrections excessive fear can temporarily break it below support. But for the most part, this uptrend has held solid. And with oil again above resistance today, some traders are understandably getting nervous.

But there’s no need to be, as this upleg isn’t mature yet. Last spring as oil’s second major upleg approached its climax, ballooning greed drove a major surge well above oil’s uptrend resistance. This upside breakout actually persisted for the better part of several months. Today’s young breakout in oil’s third upleg hasn’t even lasted a single month, this upleg hasn’t had time to climax yet.

As oil’s second upleg was peaking last April, this commodity became very overbought. The rOil metric climbed as high as 1.318x, meaning oil was stretched nearly 32% above its 200dma. The best we’ve seen recently is merely half of those topping levels, late February’s 1.161x. With oil not overbought, there isn’t yet enough greed and euphoria to suck in all near-term buyers and trigger a major topping.

We compute these Relativity trading ranges with the latest 5 calendar years of data. And rOil’s trading range based on this is now 0.90x on the low side (oversold) to 1.30x on the high side (overbought). With rOil only about halfway up into this range near its recent highs, it is nowhere near upleg-ending extremes yet. When rOil eventually challenges 1.30x in the coming months, which is likely, that is when to worry.

Also consider the progress in today’s third major upleg compared to how oil performed in this bull’s first two. At its latest interim high a couple weeks ago, oil had rallied 42.8% over 4.7 months. This is well below upleg two’s +63.9% over a much-longer 11.1-month timeframe. And this bull’s first upleg, though excessively large emerging out of the stock panic, ran 151.7% higher over 13.7 months.

The 42.8% we’ve seen so far is too little for a major cyclical-bull upleg, and oil has merely been rallying for well less than half the time of a typical upleg so far. The run we’ve seen until now is simply too minor to be classified as major! In addition, this upleg hasn’t pushed oil to any new cyclical-bull highs yet. Major uplegs in ongoing bull markets almost always carry their price well into new-high territory before failing.

And there’s no reason not to expect today’s oil upleg to be large. Why? Last autumn’s second correction of this bull leading into the current upleg saw oil fall to crazy-oversold levels. As you can see above, in rOil terms this commodity had not been anywhere close to as oversold since just after emerging out of the brutal secondary stock-panic lows in spring 2009! In general the more oversold a price is at an upleg’s birth, the higher and longer that upleg ultimately runs to catapult sentiment to the opposite extreme.

So with oil not yet overbought, not yet running high enough, and not yet rallying long enough by bull-to-date major-upleg standards, there is no reason to fear today’s upleg is rolling over. We need to see it extend for at least a couple more months, hitting major new cyclical-bull highs and pushing oil near 1.30x-its-200dma overbought territory, before it is time to start realizing profits and prepare for its third correction.

Not surprisingly since the price of oil ultimately drives their profits, oil stocks have exhibited a similar cyclical-bull pattern to oil. As measured by the benchmark XOI index (large-cap oil stocks), this sector has also seen two major uplegs and two major corrections. And the third major upleg underway today is in a similar state as oil’s, still much too immature to start worrying about an imminent topping in oil stocks.



The same young-upleg arguments for oil apply to the XOI as well. Its Relativity trading range is 0.85x to 1.20x its 200dma. And the best we saw at its recent interim high in early March was just 1.102x, roughly only halfway to overbought territory so far. Before the XOI’s second major upleg peaked last April, this metric had stretched as high as 1.237x! There is certainly no greed or euphoria evident in oil stocks today.

The current third upleg of the oil stocks’ cyclical bull has merely run 35.2% higher at best over 4.9 months. Once again this is too little on both counts for a major upleg. The XOI’s second major upleg peaked at a 59.5% gain after 9.9 months, and its first saw +48.4% after 13.7 months. So like oil, the oil stocks’ current upleg has lots of room to run yet before its performance achieves major-upleg status.

Also like oil, this third XOI upleg hasn’t yet come anywhere close to driving this flagship index to new cyclical-bull highs. Again this is something that virtually all major uplegs in ongoing bull markets accomplish. Technically there is nothing on this chart that looks anything remotely like a major topping yet. The oil stocks haven’t run high enough or long enough to generate the necessary upleg-killing euphoria.

With both oil and oil stocks having plenty of room to run yet technically, there is no need to start realizing profits. Remember the greatest gains in commodities stocks tend to accrue rapidly in uplegs’ final couple months, when greed and euphoria ignite big speculative inflows. The best odds for successfully maximizing your realized gains in an upleg are found in sitting tight until overboughtness metrics are reached.

These oil and XOI technicals are reason enough to be bullish on oil stocks today, but this third chart is the icing on the cake. Since oil ultimately drives oil stocks’ profits, and profits ultimately drive stock prices, oil is the long-term fundamental driver of oil-stock price levels. And the ratio of the XOI oil-stock index to the oil price reveals how this dominant fundamental relationship is trending. Today this XOR shows oil stocks remain radically undervalued compared to prevailing oil price levels.



Remember that late 2008’s brutal once-in-a-century stock panic was the biggest discontinuity in the markets we will see in our lifetimes. That fear superstorm so radically altered the psychological landscape that strong reverberations are still being felt to this day. So many investors and speculators were scared out of stocks entirely that it takes some years after such an epic event for the markets to return to normalcy.

The last normal years for defining the XOI/Oil Ratio were 2006 and 2007, before the panic, which also happened to be late in the previous cyclical stock bull much like where we are today in our current one. Over that span, the XOR averaged 17.9x. In other words, the XOI oil-stock index tended to close at just under 18x the price of crude oil on an ongoing basis. There is no reason not to expect this pre-panic average to eventually be regained.

Incredibly, this week the XOR was merely trading at 12.3x! Relative to the commodity that drives all their long-term fundamentals, oil stocks were only trading at about 2/3rds of their pre-panic levels! This is mind-boggling, all the apparent oil-stock strength in recent months was merely an illusion. As the XOR’s downtrend shows, oil stocks have been losing ground to oil on balance ever since the stock panic.

But this downtrend is certainly not set in stone. When investors and speculators start getting enthusiastic about this somewhat-forgotten sector, they can quickly bid up oil stocks to reflect fundamental realities. This happened early last year as oil stocks’ second major upleg of this post-panic cyclical bull started approaching its climax. By February 2011, the XOR shot as high as 15.8x before it collapsed again!

To merely regain that 15.8x seen near the end of the last major oil-stock upleg, the large-cap oil stocks of the XOI would have to soar 28% from here. To hit the 17.9x pre-panic average, the XOI would need to rocket another 45% higher. And these numbers assume oil stays flat, if it rallies they grow. Relative to oil, the XOI is nearly as undervalued now as it has been at worst throughout this entire post-panic period. Sooner or later a massive catch-up rally is inevitable.

Could these low post-panic XOR levels be the new norm? Sure, anything is possible. But I really doubt it for several reasons. So deeply scarred by the stock panic, retail investors have largely been absent in the past several years. Fund managers often lament this fact on CNBC. But eventually, all those ostrich investors cowering in cash on the sidelines are going to get tired of inflation eroding away their capital after zero yields. They’ll be back, and will want to own oil stocks again.

And even if they foolishly hide in cash forever, new investors are being minted every day. As younger people enter the stage of their lives where they can consume less than they earn, many will invest the surplus. And given oil’s incredibly-bullish global fundamentals (major new supplies are harder and harder to find despite relentlessly-growing world demand), I suspect oil stocks will be high on investors’ lists.

Finally consider silver. Before the stock panic it had a certain relationship with gold, its primary driver. Afterwards, this metric was way too low. So I started arguing in early 2009 that a massive mean reversion was inevitable, silver would have to soar. I kept advancing this argument, taking flak each time. But indeed in early 2011, investors finally did return to silver in a massive way. They not only drove silver’s ratio with gold back up to its pre-panic average, but well above it! Fundamental mean reversions are inevitable.

And perhaps the most exciting part of all is we don’t have to buy the gigantic XOI oil companies. As of the end of last month, the XOI’s 13 component stocks had average market capitalizations of $124b. This is enormous! Much like oil supertankers, giant companies have tremendous price inertia. The bigger a company gets, the more buying it takes to move its price higher. Giant stocks are slow to rally.

Thanks to technologies now being perfected including horizontal drilling, hydraulic fracturing, enhanced oil recovery, and rising oil-sands efficiencies, there are a growing number of fantastic oil companies that are far smaller in market-cap terms than the majors. While $1b of buying will barely budge a $400b monolith like XOM, it can catapult a $10b company way higher. These emerging oil plays have incredible potential to soar.

Last summer as oil was correcting, we undertook a 3-month deep-research project looking into the mid-cap oil stocks trading in the US and Canada. They had market caps ranging from $2b to $10b, a highly-leveraged sweet spot. After spending hundreds of hours narrowing down the entire population to our dozen favorites, we profiled each in depth in a fascinating 36-page fundamental report. It is from these elites we drew our oil-stock trades during last year’s correction, and their already-nice unrealized gains ought to only accelerate from here.

Today this report is available for only $45, an incredible bargain for such world-class research. While the gains buying now in the middle of an upleg won’t be as large as from buying early like we and our subscribers did, there is still plenty of upside left in oil stocks. Since most of this sector’s gains in an upleg tend to accrue rapidly in its final months, there is a good chance that less than half of the total gains have been won so far.

At Zeal we are hardcore contrarians, we buy low when others are afraid (like last autumn) and then later sell high when others are brave (likely later this spring). While not easy psychologically to fight the crowd, the results are well worth the challenge. Since 2001, all 598 stock trades recommended in our subscription newsletters have averaged stellar annualized realized gains of +48%! You too can share in the very-profitable fruits of our labors.

We publish acclaimed weekly and monthly subscription newsletters loved by speculators and investors all over the world. In them I draw on our vast experience, knowledge, wisdom, and ongoing research to explain what the markets are doing, why, where they are likely heading, and how to trade them with specific stock trades as opportunities arise. Subscribe today and start thriving!

The bottom line is neither oil nor the oil stocks look anywhere close to being overbought yet. Their uplegs remain too small and too young to be topping, with new bull-market highs still yet to be seen. By their own bull-to-date standards, both oil and oil stocks still have lots of room technically to run higher yet. So it is certainly way too early to be looking for a major topping, or prematurely realizing oil-stock profits.

Oil stocks’ best gains tend to accrue rapidly in the final months of major uplegs. And their third major upleg of this cyclical bull is likely nearing that glorious terminal phase. While the major oil stocks should see nice gains, the best of the smaller ones are likely to soar. Growing enthusiasm will entice in capital, accelerating the stock-price rally that will eventually ignite euphoria. That will be the time to sell high.

Adam Hamilton, CPA

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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby pstarr » Tue 13 Mar 2012, 15:46:48

So anvil, what is the point of your run-on post? I hope it isn't that the "evil speculators are ruining our god-given right to drive our cars to the mall?" If so, the post is not only in violation of the COC (quote without comment) but complete nonsense as well. :) Or are you merely pumping a newsletter?
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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby dolanbaker » Fri 23 Mar 2012, 09:17:42

OK, who’s pressed the panic button, Brent has just jumped $2 in an instant!

Edit: looks like a fat finger! or maybe not :badgrin:
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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Fri 23 Mar 2012, 10:11:46

dolanbaker wrote:OK, who’s pressed the panic button, Brent has just jumped $2 in an instant!

Edit: looks like a fat finger! or maybe not :badgrin:


Not a fat finger ... for over an hour, Brent has hovered around $125, while WTIC has surpassed $107/bbl.

Possibly this?

U.S. Wants Iran Oil Buyers to Pledge Cuts or Risk Sanctions

The Obama administration wants China, India and 10 other nations to present plans detailing how they will curtail Iranian oil imports, saying past cuts aren’t enough to win them an exclusion from new U.S. sanctions. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton this week granted Japan and European Union countries six-month, renewable exemptions from the measures that take effect June 28, crediting them with “significantly reducing” imports from the Persian Gulf nation.


Or this?

Emergency Oil Supply From West Unlikely to Affect Price

Tapping Western emergency stocks of crude oil to ease soaring prices would cool the overheating oil market by a few dollars a barrel during the week of the announcement, but prices would likely bounce back to current levels within a month, industry experts said this week.

Employing such a measure is seen as a quick fix to take some heat out of soaring crude oil prices, which–at nearly $25 a barrel short of historic highs for the international benchmark Brent crude–are jeopardizing global economic growth.
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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby Cog » Fri 23 Mar 2012, 10:54:16

Wholesale gasoline up nearly 5 cents.

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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby Revi » Mon 26 Mar 2012, 08:43:43

I noticed a spike in oil at the gas pump. I got gas at $3.82 and down the street they were changing to $3.85 this weekend. I saw $3.88 today. It's jumped about 6 cents.
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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby dolanbaker » Fri 04 May 2012, 08:58:28

Big dive in Brent prices over the past few days now down to $114 a barrel (that's cheap!!) The tide of bad economic news is really knocking down the price at the moment.
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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Fri 04 May 2012, 09:20:13

dolanbaker wrote: $114 a barrel (that's cheap!!)

$114 a barrel is practically free! WTIC is at $100.

This is compelling evidence that we're headed into a global recession.
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Re: Oil Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby OilFinder2 » Fri 04 May 2012, 12:43:10

^
Posted November 19, 2011.
Daniel_Plainview wrote:But we can see clearly that growth is impossible with oil prices exceeding $100/bbl ...

Don't you just love the logic of a doomer? :lol: When the price of oil goes down, it's a sign of doom. But just several months ago we were told if the price of oil went below $100 (where it stands as I type this), that's what makes growth possible! :lol:

But if the price of oil were going down were a sign of doom, one would think the price of oil going up were a sign of non-doom, no? Of course not!!! :lol: As noted here and in many, many other places, we're being told that oil and gasoline prices going up are a sign of doom also!!

So whether the price of oil and gasoline goes up or down, it's a sign of doom! :lol: This schizophrenic reasoning reminds me of the reasoning that we're both in a deflationary depression, but also experiencing inflation! :lol:
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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby dolanbaker » Fri 04 May 2012, 13:05:41

Are we currently in the (new) "goldilocks" zone, any higher we hit demand destruction, any lower it means that demand has collapsed (relative to available supply).

It's good that the price has dropped, it'll soon mean slightly cheaper petrol for my commute to work, but OTOH it also means that somewhere else people have stopped consuming.

PS just bounced down to $112.
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Re: Oil Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby eXpat » Fri 04 May 2012, 13:07:24

OilFinder2 wrote:^
Posted November 19, 2011.
Daniel_Plainview wrote:But we can see clearly that growth is impossible with oil prices exceeding $100/bbl ...

Don't you just love the logic of a doomer? :lol: When the price of oil goes down, it's a sign of doom. But just several months ago we were told if the price of oil went below $100 (where it stands as I type this), that's what makes growth possible! :lol:

But if the price of oil were going down were a sign of doom, one would think the price of oil going up were a sign of non-doom, no? Of course not!!! :lol: As noted here and in many, many other places, we're being told that oil and gasoline prices going up are a sign of doom also!!

So whether the price of oil and gasoline goes up or down, it's a sign of doom! :lol: This schizophrenic reasoning reminds me of the reasoning that we're both in a deflationary depression, but also experiencing inflation! :lol:

Soo, oil went down because of the weak U.S. employment report. Surely that´s good news for the cornies! :lol: Oil did went down after all... 8)
Oil slides 4%, tumbling below $100 after jobs data
Prices extend losses after weak U.S. employment report
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Crude-oil futures on Friday fell to their lowest since mid-February as data showed that the U.S. economy created fewer jobs than expected in April, adding to worries about the health of the recovery.

Crude for June delivery CLM2 -4.41% dropped $4.32, or 4.2%, to $98.21 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Weekly losses were hovering above 6%.

Greece's election is expected to usher in further political instability — so much so that officials from the country's major parties are planning another possible election within months.

“The jobs data was the bulls’ last hope. Now the market realizes that with a slowing economy and weak demand we might drown in an ocean of supply,” said Phil Flynn, a vice president with PFGBest in Chicago.

Oil added to earlier losses after the Labor Department reported that U.S. nonfarm payrolls expanded 115,000 last month, shy of the 163,000 expected by the economists surveyed by MarketWatch. Employment gains for March and February were revised higher from previous estimates, however. Read more about the employment report.

“There’s no way to explain away this report, there’s no excuse to these numbers,” said James Cordier, a portfolio manager with Optionsellers.com in Florida. “The U.S. economy is slowing, no one is arguing that anymore.”

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/oil-futures-fall-sharply-ahead-of-us-jobs-data-2012-05-04
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Re: Oil Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 04 May 2012, 13:53:05

OilFinder2 wrote:So whether the price of oil and gasoline goes up or down, it's a sign of doom! :lol: This schizophrenic reasoning reminds me of the reasoning that we're both in a deflationary depression, but also experiencing inflation! :lol:
Yup. Crazy. Almost inexplicable . . . unless one considers a parallel situation that played out in the USA in the early 1970's. At that time (and still today, among those in denial) stagflation posed quite a dilemma for the Keynesian, as inflation and recession were regarded as mutually exclusive. On hindsight, only Peak-USA-Oil offers a explanation. The Oil Expense Indicator tells us that when the cost of crude to a highly-industrialized 1st-world economy exceeds 4-5% of GDP that economy flounders----we go into recession.
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Re: Oil Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Fri 04 May 2012, 17:55:55

OilFinder2 wrote:But if the price of oil were going down were a sign of doom

Recall back to 2008 when the price of oil fell from $147/bbl to $33/bbl. When oil fell to that level, the economy was in worse shape than at any time since the Great Depression.

If, instead, the economy had been healthy and vibrant in 2008, oil would not have fallen to $33/bbl.

Even your ultra-dense brain should be able to fathom that.

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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby OilFinder2 » Fri 04 May 2012, 18:12:53

You've failed to respond to the central contradiction you've expressed, so I'll ask the question as directly as possible: Is the price of oil going down good for the economy? Or is it bad for the economy?

Please answer directly, "It's generally good for the economy," or "It's generally bad for the economy." To date you've said it's both, depending on your mood, but they cannot simultaneously be true.
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Re: Oil Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Fri 04 May 2012, 18:16:51

OilFinder2 wrote:We're both in a deflationary depression, but also experiencing inflation! :lol:

The deflationary depression is caused by credit and asset-price collapse (both of which clearly happened between 2008-12); the inflation is caused by the Fed's response (QE/printing/twist) to that collapse (which clearly has been happening).

You're obviously in hyper-troll mode, because nobody -- not even a pure idiot -- can be as dumb as you seem to be.

In case you hadn't noticed, the Eurozone is now in a full-blown recession; and, in case you hadn't noticed, there is a virtually 1:1 long-term correlation between the health of the Eurozone & US economies. Thus it makes perfect sense for both Brent and WTI prices to be plunging amid collapsing, recessionary economies.

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To label you a "troll" does a disservice to the typical "troll" inhabiting the cybersphere ... instead, you should be dubbed a "hyper-troll" ...

When you have a healthy, vibrant economy, then you will not see the following:

1. ZIRP
2. Falling demand for oil
3. QE/Twist/LOTR, etc.
4. Massive deficit spending; massive debt purchasing by the Fed
5. Massive welfare payments, including foodstamps, extended and re-extended unemployment compensation, etc.

Now we have ALL FIVE happening in earnest ... which for any non-koolaid drinking person is a sign of an extremely UNHEALTHY, SICK economy. In reality, we never left the Greatest Depression of 2008 ... despite the unprecedented life-support measures by the Fed and the govt.

I'm spending time discussing this not for your benefit, OF2 -- because you are beyond hope -- but for the benefit of the occasional lurker who might be having an uneasy feeling about the economy, and who might be wondering what's up. I don't try to spew disinformation as you are genetically programmed to do, OF2.

As for you, OF2:

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Re: Crude Oil Price Skyrockets to New High!

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Fri 04 May 2012, 18:26:09

OilFinder2 wrote:Is the price of oil going down good for the economy? Or is it bad for the economy?


You're mixing cause and effect.

As to cause/causation, whether falling oil prices are good or bad depends on the cause and reason for the collapse in oil prices. In 2008 when the global economy was entering a deflationary depression and oil collapsed to $33/bbl amid massive demand destruction, it was "bad" that the global economy was in such dire straits that the demand for oil collapsed; however, obviously it was "good" to have low oil prices (because it's always "good" to have low input costs, and high oil prices act like a tax on consumers, and they depress GDP growth) ...

Likewise, today, the fall in oil prices is caused by demand destruction ... which is caused by a global recession ... which is "bad"
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