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Condensate...condensed.

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Re: Condensate...condensed.

Unread postby Synapsid » Mon 06 Oct 2014, 22:27:12

sparky,

The distillates are jet fuel and diesel, as regards transportation; the world runs on diesel to a great extent. westexas' bar graphs show that condensate, sensu lato, is great for gasoline but not so much for diesel.

There, as they say, lies the rub.
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Re: Condensate...condensed.

Unread postby toolpush » Mon 06 Oct 2014, 23:37:54

If diesel is going to be harder to get and the lighter fuels (Naphtha) more abundant, then maybe a slight change in engines may work?

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2013/10 ... phtha.html

Dr. Gautam Kalghatgi and his colleagues at Saudi Aramco and other organization such as FEV, RWTH Aachen University, and Shell Global Solutions, have been investigating the potential use of naphtha as an alternative compression-ignition (CI) fuel that offers a number of benefits, including efficient combustion; low soot and NOx emissions resulting in a less complicated after treatment system to meet modern emissions standards; and a fuel that is simpler to make than current gasoline or diesel fuels.
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Re: Condensate...condensed.

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 07 Oct 2014, 08:10:22

pusher - Such plans reminded me of the cartoon with the guy clawing his way to the rear of the jet as it plummets from 35,000': he'll survive a little longer than the other passengers. LOL. The problem with any hydrocarbon substitute made from another hydrocarbon is that we are producing less of many of those H/C chains and what we are producing is costing a lot more. Even EV's that are powered from fossil fuel sourced utilities have the same problem...eventually.

The only way to escape the trap with respect to transportation might be EV’s fueled by power derived from renewable resources. But that solution has two major hurdles IMHO: costs (again) and, perhaps even a bigger problem, the time factor.
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Re: Condensate...condensed.

Unread postby sparky » Tue 07 Oct 2014, 19:51:44

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It wouldn't work for planes , they need a high power density , can't beat hydrocarbons for bang for pound ( and I include the fuel weigh and the transfer mechanism ( motor )
I'm not sure if it even would work for farming tractors
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Re: Condensate...condensed.

Unread postby westexas » Wed 08 Oct 2014, 08:05:13

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Re: US Condensate Exports Begin

Unread postby Graeme » Wed 31 Dec 2014, 17:59:11

U.S. Easing of Oil Exports Challenges OPEC's Strategy

The Obama administration’s move to allow exports of ultralight crude without government approval may encourage shale drilling and thwart Saudi Arabia’s strategy to curb U.S. output, further weakening oil markets, according to Citigroup Inc.

A type of crude known as condensate can be exported if it is run through a distillation tower, which separates the hydrocarbons that make up the oil, according to U.S. government guidelines published yesterday. That may boost supplies ready to be sold overseas to as much as 1 million barrels a day by the end of 2015, Citigroup analysts led by Ed Morse in New York said in an e-mailed report.


Oil producers have been testing the prohibition on crude exports as U.S. output surged amid technological advances that have opened up shale rock formations to development in Texas, North Dakota and elsewhere. The government earlier this year signaled a new way to export oil by approving permits for Pioneer Natural Resources Co. and Enterprise Products Partners LP (EPD) to sell processed condensate.

The guidelines seek to clarify how the Commerce Department will implement export rules and follow a “review of technological and policy issues,” Eric Hirschhorn, the under secretary for industry and security, said in a statement.


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