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CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 18:39:04

http://www.ecowatch.com/california-pine ... 1484336318

San Francisco Receives More Rain in First Eight Days of January Than All of 2013

Extreme weather, from drought to heavy downpour, lambasted much of California over the last couple of weeks.

An atmospheric river brimming with moisture, known as the "Pineapple Express," brought tropical Hawaiian water to California with some of the worst flooding since 2005. The river can carry up to 15 times the equivalent volume of the Mississippi River. According to NASA, "Between 30 and 50 percent of the annual precipitation in the western U.S. comes from just a few atmospheric river events."
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 17 Jan 2017, 18:15:06

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/01/17/ ... r-of-2017/

Warm Atmospheric River Aims Parade of Storms at U.S. West During La Nina Year of 2017
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 09 Feb 2017, 00:22:23

Why Is the Drought Not Over Yet?

Experts say groundwater needs to be replenished and that this could take one or two more seasons of equivalent rains.
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The only areas with extreme to exceptional drought conditions in the state are in northern L.A. County and parts of Ventura and Santa Barbara counties, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor.

"The drought has been so severe here that it takes a long time to replenish the groundwater system," says David L. Feldman, a UC Irvine professor of planning, policy and design. "A lot of the water runs off into the ocean."


http://www.laweekly.com/news/why-is-the ... et-7903506
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby pstarr » Thu 09 Feb 2017, 17:57:32

Two things to understand

1) The rainy season in California started several months early, so our present surplus is much greater than the superficial numbers suggest.

The following chart (Shasta reservoir) demonstrates that current reservoir storage (only in early February) is equal to (or much above) where it usually is in June or July over the last 10 years . . . at least. This is a record breaking already. Yet it will continue raining in California for several months at least. We have months and months of continual rain and storage increases ahead
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/jspplot/jspPlotServlet.jsp?sensor_no=3636&end=02%2F09%2F2017+14%3A48&geom=huge&interval=3000&cookies=cdec01
We are several months ahead of full storage. This is a record year . . . by an order of magnitude


2) dohboi, the article on growndwater supplies (you posted above) is completely BS. The scientists quoted in the article have no idea. Because they do not have the data to make their proclamation that "it will take years to replenish aquifers" THERE IS NO ACTIVE GROUNDWATER DATA SET AVAILABLE. So it is merely their opinion.
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby jedrider » Thu 09 Feb 2017, 20:26:10

Time to start taking long showers in California, at least, until it stops raining. We haven't turned to desert yet.
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby yportne » Thu 09 Feb 2017, 20:36:04

The river bed near me in Camarillo CA is still dry. Apparently the rain was almost all absorbed by dry ground. And the local lake levels are still low. It is raining here tomorrow but no more expected next week
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 09 Feb 2017, 21:07:48

yportne wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-giant-reservoir-that-supplies-a-california-countys-drinking-water-is-nearly-empty/2016/11/13/cf617ef0-a29d-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html?utm_term=.ea69df8641c6

What a difference four months can make.
don't bother us with old news portne.
On a related note I hope those in the areas of California that have suffered from land subsidence due to over extraction from aquifers are doing what they can to repair the damage. Not that I think you can just pump the water back in and get back to where they started from, but considering that some of the bore holes were three hundred feet deep just letting surface water fill them to the top would put pressures at 130 psi at the bottom of the bore hole and a lot of the admittedly smaller pore spaces would fill again and wait for the next drought.
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby yportne » Thu 09 Feb 2017, 23:25:31

I have lived in Ventura County CA for 50 years. Have seen recurrent droughts and occasional floods. Have also seen our population more than double. I read that salt water intrusion is a problem for those still farming in the rich Oxnard plain. It is nice to see green hills again.
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 10 Feb 2017, 01:15:34

yportne wrote:The river bed near me in Camarillo CA is still dry. Apparently the rain was almost all absorbed by dry ground. And the local lake levels are still low. It is raining here tomorrow but no more expected next week

You mean Bard Lake? Somebody must have forgot to turn of the sprinklers at the Wood Ranch golf course.

Regardless, every real lake and all the big reservoirs are already above historical season averages. The rain season is far far far from over.
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sun 12 Feb 2017, 07:35:47

"The drought may not be over for much of California". Damn, you mean the droughts that have periodically hit the region for millions of years may still happen in the future? One gutsy forecast IMHO. LOL.
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Sun 12 Feb 2017, 10:05:56

The highways are washing out in the hills. This happened to Summit Road in the nearby Santa Cruz mountains. The washout is too large to be filled, the road will have to be re-routed. The preliminary estimate is six months and $160M, which does not include the time to sieze the necessary real estate from private landowners using eminent domain, or the legal fees to do so.
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 12 Feb 2017, 11:19:50

R, yes, the worse drought in at least 1200 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... 1200-years
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby yportne » Sun 12 Feb 2017, 11:26:25

Driving can be dangerous next to California hills after heavy rain. About 20 years ago I totaled a car and spent a night in an Oxnard hospital after hitting a boulder which had fallen onto the Pacific Coast Highway.
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sun 12 Feb 2017, 13:22:34

dohboi - "yes, the worse drought in at least 1200 years." So solid confirmation that the region is subject to severe droughts unrelated the AGW, right? Understand my comment has nothing to do with denying AGW...the Rockman understood that potential more the 4 decades ago. It was said to point out the weakness of using such anecdotal evidence. No different then a denier pointing to unusually cold weather to argue against global warming. That sword cuts both ways. I was hoping for a harsh response so I could beat that dead horse once again.

But your wimpy effort was sufficient. Thanks. LOL.
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 12 Feb 2017, 13:39:37

Wow. Touchy much?

What was common over the last millions of years isn't particularly relevant. That this was the deepest drought in over a thousand years is.

I didn't say anything about GW by the way. But thanks for bringing it up! :)
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby yportne » Sun 12 Feb 2017, 14:12:01

A four month old google earth picture of Camarillo, CA shows a dry river bed coursing through the city toward the Pacific Ocean. We visited this area again yesterday near Upland Road. There is now shallow slowly flowing water occupying about 10% of the width. This suggests that the upstream ground may be approaching saturation. We saw a hawk and a heron. My memory of past Santa Barbara and Ventura County floods is that it is usually post saturation rain storms that cause the most damage.
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sun 12 Feb 2017, 15:15:16

"What was common over the last millions of years isn't particularly relevant.". It was rather relevent to all the creatures living at that time. Never realized you were such a homo sapien centrist. Shame on you...it's not always about us, ya know. LOL.

There's a similar discordance with glacial retreat. I've beern lucky enough to get up on the Columbia Ice Field in Alberta several times. It has clear markers depicting how much it had retreated long before AGW could have caused it. Which obviously doesn't prove AGW isn't contributing to current retreat. Again the same point: using such stats that actually don't substantiate the CC dynamics can proved invalid on needlessly provides deniers with ammo.
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Re: CA Drought Emergency Declared Pt 5

Unread postby pstarr » Mon 13 Feb 2017, 12:29:03

Sorry KJ, can't blame it on Obama as much as you like to.

50 years of bad maintenance. Same with our bridges, sewers, water pipes, roads etc. etc. It seems the USA would rather project its idiocy around the world than fix its own problems.

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