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[Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby Iaato » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 11:19:25

PrairieMule wrote:While I have entrenched a redneck attitude about our guns and simpler life on a ranch, I have learned that the hippies, lefties, libretarians, and assorted weirdos are right about our civil rights. I'd advise anyone new to the doom culture to first own and frequently read a copy of The Bill of Rights. Then read sections starting with sec 200 on up of the Patriot Act II. It will effect even the mildest "retreater" or "homesteader" in the next 5-10 years.


Ha. While I have entrenched a commie leftist attitude about civil liberties recently, I have learned that the redneck right has a real point about guns. I have developed a new fondness for guns, and am taking up target practice.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 13:16:49

My 5 Rules:

1. Think through your spirituality fully. Finding out that you don't really believe in God or Jesus or whatever when you have a Job-like loss of everything really sucks.

2. Study the weaknesses of "just in time" inventory systems. Understanding these weaknesses creates a long list of obvious preparation steps.

3. Understand what good leadership is all about. If you are a leader it will make you a better one. If you are a follower it will help you select good leaders to follow. Every crisis finds examples of courageous leaders. Think about it beforehand.

4. Balance physical and mental fitness. Many are good at developing one but not the other. You will need both in any crisis. I think it is the mind that probably breaks down under prolonged stress more often than the body. By breakdown I mean poor decision making, onset of hopelessness, inability to interpret subtle messages...things like that.

5. If you have been hypnotized by the notion that the human race is marching toward an ever-rosier future, try to replace that idea with one of cycles of good times and bad times, plenty and scarcity, enlightenment and barbarism. Human society is like every other system in the physical world--it has cycles and rhythms. Study them and you will be well-positioned to react appropriately.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby Pops » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 20:32:21

I stuck this for a test:
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby patience » Thu 24 Jan 2008, 08:18:10

My 5 rules have been being modified since 1974. Here's the latest version.

1. Plan your life for sustainability, based on how you see the future. Stored food ain't enough. Better plan to grow some.

2. Get where you want to be to live out the future as you see it. A community is the key to this. Going it alone is close to impossible.

3. Set priorities, based on Maslow's hierarchy of needs that include air, water, food, clothing & shelter, and companionship.

4. Diversify your position, especially kowledge and skills, so you can adapt to changing conditions. Your vision of the future is at least partly wrong. Expect to be surprised. Dad said that even a rat has sense enough to have more than one hole.

5. Make it happen. NOW.

I feel like I'm running a bit late on some things.... Ain't we all?
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby oldstyle » Thu 24 Jan 2008, 14:51:24

Much great information and ideas are in this thread. I dont wish to repost what has already been said so I'll go in a slightly different direction. In preparations I have considered many different scenarios and how they might affect me, my job and my family. Some are easy to mitigate, some not so much. Most things have simple homeade workaround type solutions, some require things be purchased and either built or stored for later. In evaluating these purchases here are the 5 rules I apply to every decision.

1. Keep it simple. When I worked in chemical plants a decade ago it amazed me to see a million dollar an hour operation get shut down for a 50 cent valve. Along the same lines, in my house I have a 40 dollar coffe pot break and not work again due to some gizmo timer that malfunctioned. Every car I have owned with power windows after a few years the motor starts going to shit. The moral being dont buy bells and whistles that will just break over time and leave you without. Get sturdy items with very little to nothing to break. If something does break, simple items are easier (possible) to repair.

2. Scrounge. It amazes me how much crap people buy. An example, I have a problem with people buying fire starting devices. If you have to carry something around for a fire, buy matches. You dont need a 30 dollar magnesium striker when a 50 cent bic lighter will work. Similiarly look around at what you have, it's amazing what items can serve multiple purposes.

3. Avoide impulse buys. I have been doing this for a few years now. When I see some gizmo that catches my eye and I think I want it (be it on the shelf or something on tv), I make myself wait a week or two. If I still think I need it after that I'll buy it. 90% of the time I dont even remember seeing it. Fight that consumer mindset people. Make do with what you have, that's the mindset. My wife is still quite the consumer and even she agrees that this works and is a good idea.

4. Keep the tank(s) full. A few years ago I was at a gas station convenience store and was in line behind a largish woman. She had a coke, bag of ships, some candy and after hearing the total she asked for 4 dollars of gas. I wanted to yell at her, put that crap down and put some gas in your car. Anyway, the point being that when a purchase meets a few conditions load the truck up. If your going to use it anyway, it's not going to go bad if it waits, if there is even the slightest chance of price increasing, and you can afford it without going into debt buy as much as you can. I cant think of anytime in my life where I had a full tank of gas and said to myself I dont know if I am going to use it all.... same with peanut butter, spagetti noodles, water, cough drops, and a million other things that my family will use on a long enough timeline and can easily be stored at my house instead of a store shelf. Keep the reserves full. I even apply this to non preps, anyone else have a stockpile of sandpapers in various grit?

5. Sustainable. This is a goal and not a rule, but where possible I always try to pursue the option that has less dependance. For example, a push mower with circlular blades versus a gas operated mower that requires gas, oil, spark plugs, new pull string every few years. It is encumbered with dependencies and is not sustainable, the push variety will go as long as I have a rock to hone the blades with a few times a year and some oil to keep the axle lubed with. (crushed nuts or even rendered animal fats should work just fine for that). I gave an example, but it's the mindset behind it that I try to adhere to. Sometimes it just isn't practicle tho.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby Pops » Thu 24 Jan 2008, 16:07:44

Good rules Oldstyle. I like buying one good and repairable thing instead of 10 throwaways. The problem is even though the Kitchen Aid mixer I bought 25 years ago looks exactly the same as those on the shelf now – the guts have changed to plastic so there are no replacement parts available.

An old sewing machine repair guy told me when I was looking for a near—industrial strength machine for Susan that my best bet was a consumer machine from somewhere before ’65 – get an extra if possible for parts if I wanted her grandkids to use it.

My experience in handtools bares that opinion out; 1965 seems to have been something of the turning point ...

{I meant bears that opinion...}
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby patience » Thu 24 Jan 2008, 17:30:27

WOOO_HOO! Oldstyle and Pops! Grand ideas! I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would do otherwise.

Oh, well, the poor quality stuff keeps my repair shop humming. Job security, I guess.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby sittinguy » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 20:26:18

This may be the same old same old,, but, Its the simple truth.

1.. prepare for 1 year, thats alot of Food & TP (hint) It ain't cheap

2.. keeep your mouth shut.. sometimes even from your spouse.

3.. save a little cash and metals

4.. guns and ammo

5.. fuel/power,, depending on your needs can be costly,, very!
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby Happy2bHere » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 18:44:50

These rules work in good times and bad, whether you are young or old.

1. Be useful. Do something productive. Get your hands dirty.
2. Maintain your health so you can continue to be useful.
3. Figure out how to be more and uniquely useful. Observe and think.
4. Learn new useful skills. Adapt.
5. Connect with useful people. Volunteer in your community and at work. Pass on useful skills. Teach, tutor, mentor.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby Pops » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 18:59:24

Welcome Happy, glad this was the place for your first post!
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby Blacksmith » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 21:56:31

I'm all for things you can fix or reproduce. Years ago I bought a wind up radio, had been invented by some Englishman for use in Africa. Cutting to the chase it broke, too complicated to fix, and this was to be the salvation of Africa. Keep it simple, if it can't be repaired it's of little use.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby Happy2bHere » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 22:28:12

Thanks, Pops! Planning For The Future is the most interesting Forum here.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby Dry » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 01:31:12

"pay your morgage" why? why pay any bills? If you really believe that this is going to happen you would be much better off spending the money on supplies. right? with packs of roving lunitics about and society in a free fall it's always best to have your cable bill paid up.

You should be about 1 million dollors in debt when it hits the fan....slide away to your hidedy spot and lay low.

get a 223 rifle
12 ga pistol grip
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don't let anyone see them unless you are going to shoot them.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby bl00k » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 14:17:43

Some more rules which seem obvious to me:

1. There's not enough to go around. There are too much people roaming this earth. Keep that in mind, always.
2. Humans can be violent and deceitful. If history teaches us one thing it's that people will fight, 'till death. The world is not a pretty place.
3. Reliance means weakness. If you rely on something or somebody which can't be trusted, you're in trouble.

But above all: enjoy it will it lasts. Please have some fun, some good ole' consumerism-fun like shopping, boozing, driving etc. Unless you don't like those things, in which case you should do something else.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby camefromthecorn » Mon 04 Feb 2008, 10:00:46

Really great ideas everyone thanks.

I've started basic preps like food storage, relocated to the country and all im buying at the moment is food and booze lol.

The one thing im lagging in is range weapons. I'v hand to hand fighting covered like machetes, spears, knifes, shields and axes. Luckly in Australia gun laws are pretty tight so im hoping when the SHTF guns wont be so prevelant as in the USA.

Also i think USA is a great indicator for the kind of time frame we're looking at in other countries.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby Ang » Mon 04 Feb 2008, 14:07:51

Dry wrote:"You should be about 1 million dollors in debt when it hits the fan....slide away to your hidedy spot and lay low.


Crikey, I'm about 993,521.00 dollars short of that goal, how do I catch up?

Good call on machete's and spears etc...we have guns and rifles coming out the hoo haw but no hand to hand stuff, really. However, if they are that close I guess I can bust open some heads with my cast iron pots & pans. I really prefer that my preps serve a dual purpose anyway.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby Pops » Mon 04 Feb 2008, 14:12:35

Ang wrote:
Dry wrote:"You should be about 1 million dollors in debt when it hits the fan....slide away to your hidedy spot and lay low.


Crikey, I'm about 993,521.00 dollars short of that goal, how do I catch up?

Good call on machete's and spears etc...we have guns and rifles coming out the hoo haw but no hand to hand stuff, really. However, if they are that close I guess I can bust open some heads with my cast iron pots & pans. I really prefer that my preps serve a dual purpose anyway.

Great post Ang!
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby Ang » Mon 04 Feb 2008, 14:26:38

Aww shucks, thanks Pops!
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Re: 5 Rules for PO Preperation

Unread postby goodmaj » Sat 16 Feb 2008, 23:29:19

wisconsin_cur wrote:This ol' dog tries to put his principles in positive language.

Cur's Investment for Peak Oil:

1. Invest in infrastructure These are the durable goods other posters have talked about. A wood stove, good hand tools, food safe containers, insulated curtains, fruit trees and bushes. Whatever might be needed to live without the modern industrial complex.

2. Invest in knowledge Learn to save seeds, transfer an engine to run on alcohol, how to distill alcohol, reload ammo or whatever you think will be the needed skills to utilyze that infrastructure. If you can produce something that would be trade-able that is great also. Included in this principle is the purchase of some general homesteading books. We do not know what we will need to know so some reference to help with future problem solving (topics from geometry to field surgery to building snares) are invaluable.

3. Invest in freedom. This is the "get out of debt principle." What binds you to the system. If you do not want to go down with it you have to be able to cut yourself free as it sinks. This includes every thing that would keep you from "hitting the ground" if things blow up in our face.

4. Invest in security. For some this will be an arsenal, for others it will community building. Yet it also includes taking a lower paying but recession resistant job. I want to be able to ride the wave as long as possible.

In the real world I need to balance these. It would be great were I financially able to implement them all perfectly... if the peak holds off long enough perhaps I will. I use these principles to weigh each decision. Right now investing in infrastructure takes priority next will be the investment in freedom.

works for me.


These are good starting points. But, you need to be able to protect your assets, especially food. This doesn't necessarily mean stand and fight. You must chose wisely in the Flight or Fight scenario. With proper planning (and good camoflage) you may remove your need to fight. Fighting once increases your chances of getting you and your family killed. Multiple fights almost guarantees it.

I guess what I'm saying is "don't put your eggs in one basket". Have some that gets 'taken' to protect most of it that don't. Also, have multiple fall back points. Remember, the name of the game is to survive until the majority is gone. Roving bands will eventually die out too.

Once the anarchy stage dies down, then you will need to find a good community of survivors. Long term survival will need community.
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Re: [Opinion] 5 Rules for PO Prep.

Unread postby GreenOil08 » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 23:43:59

It's quite funny how you think that there will be a community!?!? for long term survival. Hahahahaha. That's good. Really good.

There is NO long term survival. Lets face some facts here. If science tells us anything and History, you'll quickly see that we're all doomed. Think about it for a sec. Noone is going to ever give up and live in the "farm age" It'll never happen. Period.

Due to the Energy wars that will without a doubt ensue shrotly after the peak is really felt. Which we will feel it next year for sure.

Then it's simple, really. As these wars are raging on and on. At one point one country will say "I'll show these guys" and launch about half a dozen nukes.......mmmmmmcan you just smell it! Then the other country in defense will launch about half a dozen if not more than that. And BAM you've got a nuclear winter. A man made Ice age, where the "farm age" falls down. Face it folks, no one is going to survive long term. It will be the end of mankind. Mark my words.

Also if the nukes don't get us, we've got a nice big asteriod heading straight for us.....coming in 2039.
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