For a minute there I thought I had to get off my couch, when all the while the fact is we don't have to do anything much but keep things afloat for just a few decades more! In fact, we'd best shut up about PO, because if our offspring finds out we knew about it all along, they'll turn and wring our necks come 2036!
Joined: Mar 04, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Hong Kong
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
I learned about Peak Oil from reading Byron King's articles in Whiskey & Gunpowder. Long live the King! I lurked on the site for a bit before jumping into the forums, and now I'm just trying to figure out what I'm going to do in a post cheap-oil world. Aaaaayaaaah!!! as the locals say in exasperation here in Guangdong, China.
Joined: Mar 20, 2007 Posts: 170 Location: There is no hope for the future
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
Last year I was researching the American financial market collapse that has been widely prophesised for this year and came across an article on another website about peak oil, it kinda scared me.
I have been lurking for a while here and at the oil drum, although as an 'arts' student i find that site a bit heavy, although i have no option but to follow what they are saying and try to read more about the technical details that they provide.
I wholeheartedly believe that the end of cheap energy is upon us soon but i am still trying to get my head around the ramifications of it.
I am not so much worried about the finding and preparation of food, I have always been 'outdoorsy' (if that is a word) I am more worried about the angry, hungry, armed mobs of people that will have no idea what has happened.
The fallout from this issue is so huge that it is veryhard to comprehend, I have tried to say to some friends and family about it but i get the 'what are you talking about', 'dont be stupid' and 'you dont believe that crap, do you' response.
Joined: Mar 26, 2007 Posts: 30 Location: L.A.'s suburban wasteland
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
I grew up during the 70's and my step-father was a power-doomer. He spoke about the end of cheap oil several times, but thought it would happen much sooner. He lost his worry in the 90's when "nothing happened."
I've spent most of my life preparing one way or the other: infantry training in the U. S. Marine Corps, avoiding antibiotics/improving natural immunity, learning how to be happy with less.
I use to think peak would happen around 2010-2020. Now, I'm cautiously accepting the possibility that we're already on the plateau. (Yet, I still live in Southern California. I guess I'll make my way through the desert when everyone else starts heading north.)
Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1377 Location: Appalachian Foothills of Virginia
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
I did a paper on energy resource exhaustion in general in engineering school (specialty focus: power systems controls). This included nuclear and coal, and Hubbert was a prime reference.
Was strongly energy-efficient- and conservation-minded for a few years after school, until it drifted away from my mindset (after all, Reagan spoiled my plans to join SERI after I graduated in 1981). Began to take up interest again (strongly) in 1993, with participation on sci.energy and conservation lifestyle rediscovery.
Lived near a metro, grocery/pharmacy, stripmall, and drove energy efficient vehicles when I didn't bike.
Designed my own energy-efficient passive solar home with PV and bought a Honda Insight for when I didn't take mass transit/vanpool. Wife now has a Prius.
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
Someone brought up PO on a completely different discussion forum, and he did it convincingly enough to make me check if he had any basis for his gloomy claims. I soon found out he did.
It kind of frightened me at first, but after studying the subject for awhile I think I've found some mitigating aspects. _________________ "A devastating error is to set up a political system based on [individual] desire... the best dictatorship would be one where the government prevents any economical growth."
"Only scarcity and effort make life worth living."
-Pentti Linkola
Joined: Mar 19, 2007 Posts: 162 Location: Ontario, Canada
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
How did I find out about Peak Oil? I came to the conclusion a decade or so ago that petrochemical/hydrocarbon energy was not a sustainable way to power the planet, so I guess I intuited the concept of peak oil and problems with resource depletion.
For the last few years, I've been researching alternatives for energy production, storage, alternative transportation and synergystic integrated systems. I'm trying to find ways to work within our north american economic system and develop products and systems that change the way we use energy, and what we use for energy sources. The idea is to develop one idea to finance the next, and so on...
On a google search of human powered vehicles, or velocipedes, or some such, I linked to the hpv thread on the peak oil site. Decided to look around while I was there, and joined to follow some threads, get up to speed on new technologies, and generally educate myself so I could avoid re-inventing the wheel.
I had hoped to find a community of people who were actively pursuing solutions to energy problems. I was a little disappointed to be confronted by a lot of doom, gloom, and general nit-picking over ideology.
I get that peak oil is going to be a huge problem. I get that there are no easy solutions. I get that we don't have a replacement strategy for liquid fuel as an energy store.
I don't subscribe to the doomer philosophy, but I'm not a cornucopian either.
I believe that we can use multiple approaches and co-dependant systems to solve our energy production and storage problems, and I believe we will.
I'll keep watching the forums, and when someone says something totally outrageous, and I just can't bite my tongue anymore, I'll open my mouth.
As for those who bash any attempt at solutions, or feel the need to point out how any single solution is not viable, I have the following to offer:
We're going to find solutions. You can lead, follow, or get out of the way. _________________ If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research. ~A. Einstein
TANSTAAFL ~R.A.H.
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The next best time is today. ~Chinese proverb
Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
it started off as just another Teotwawki scenario for me,and it is still the most plausible scenario in my book of Doom. _________________ 303,.308,7.62x54R,7.92x57,.30'06,.50BMG.
from cover to concealment since 1884.
Any movement in history which attempts to perpetuate itself, becomes reactionary. Josip Broz Tito (1892 - 1980) ...
Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
DavidFolks wrote:
How did I find out about Peak Oil? I came to the conclusion a decade or so ago that petrochemical/hydrocarbon energy was not a sustainable way to power the planet, so I guess I intuited the concept of peak oil and problems with resource depletion.
I had hoped to find a community of people who were actively pursuing solutions to energy problems. I was a little disappointed to be confronted by a lot of doom, gloom, and general nit-picking over ideology.
We're going to find solutions. You can lead, follow, or get out of the way.
Or maybe you'll get drafted, fight & die in some desert.
Lots of your fellow humans will, no doubt.
Perhaps helping inform folks of the potential consequences of depletion seems "doomy" to you. I see it as a needed vehicle to stir public opinion & get more eyes on the problem.
While your own preparations are a commendable demonstration of how insightful & clever you are to have foreseen the difficulties & prepared yourself accordingly, unless your neighbors do likewise I don't see how you plan to avoid the most potent consequence of peak oil.
War
Then again, maybe your skills will prove useful down the road in a POW camp or something.
Individual prep is kinda like chewing gum on line.
You better have brought enough for everybody. _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
Joined: Oct 15, 2005 Posts: 1463 Location: Portland, Oregon
Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
Katrina---
Actually I have a good friend who first got me interested in the concept. I had a vague sense that we would experience fossil fuel depletion issue in the future- I just didn;'t realize how fast.
Then I read some cornucopian books (Hydrogen economy), some moderate books (The end of OIl) before I arrived at the twin brain rearrangers, The Party's over and The Long Emergency. From there I got on line- found LATOC, PO. com, The Oil Drum, etc. The rest is history. But I've been obsessed man...completely obsessed.
I think it is very akin to being aboard the Titanic with the foreknowledge that your ship is going to hit that iceberg and it will go down. The only thing to do is brainstorm how you are going to get on a raft. Telling your shipmates won't do much good- unless you want to get them on the raft with you.
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
I first read the phrase "peak oil" on a progressive weblog called DailyKos. I only saw the title of a journal entry which read something like "the future of peak oil" and figured that the author was writing about some obscure oil company called Peak.
I don't remember why I came back to the journal entry a few days later, but I did. Then I did a google search, perused a few websites and found myself here.
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
I found out about peak oil because I did a google search for "oil resources." After learning about oil/energy reserves from this site and many others, I was quite surprised to learn how much oil Canada has, and how much natural gas Russia has. Russia seems to be desiring more influence publicly, but Canada is quieter about the wealth of its Athabasca sands.
Yesterday a guy at the gas pump said "Wow, it's down to $2.69 a gallon. Isn't that great?"
I'm not so sure. It may only delay our adapting to the future. I hope to find a community that can coalesce around some concrete actions, like funding alternative energy.
Joined: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 1120 Location: Oklahoma City, USA
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: How did you find out about peak oil?
I was doing research on racism (of all things) and in doing so found myself on a whole lot of liberal blogs and forums. One of them mentioned peak oil (which I had never heard of) and I began reading up about it. This was maybe four months or so ago. One of the sites had a link to here, I forget which one.
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