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TrueKaiser
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:59 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Barbara wrote:
Do you REALLY use disposable paper towels in your house bathroom???? Shocked

(Sometimes I think these americans really deserve a good lesson... Mad )


yes. we are told it's better then useing normal towels cause towels will hold germs....
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:58 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

A little exposure to germs is good for you, ya know? Keeps the resistance built up. Wink

A programmable thermostat saved us almost 20% in our oil-heated house. Compact fluorescent bulbs are more efficient and save energy and money. If your refrigerator is more than 8-10 years old you can cut consumption in half by replacing it with a newer product.

etc. etc. There's a ton of good ideas out there - maybe someone should collect a "bullet" list of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:10 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

dammit, i thought we were talking about toilet paper!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: THE Ways to Conserve Thread (merged) Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Courtest of naturalfamilyonline.com:

51 Easy Ways to Go Green By Tabitha Tucker
Sustainable living is an approach to social and economic -- indeed, all activities -- for all societies, rich and poor, which is compatible with the preservation of the environment. It is based on a philosophy of interdependence, of respect for life as well as non-living parts of nature, and of responsibility for future generations. -- The Sustainable Living Network

Sustainable living is essential to the welfare of our world. Try some of these suggestions to leave your environmental footprint a little lighter and make a difference:
1. Compost.
2. Recycle.
3. Use vinegar and water to clean.
4. Maintain a pesticide-free garden and lawn.
5. Take shorter showers (even one minute shorter each day will add up to a lot of saved water).
6. Wash and re-use food containers.
7. Buy organic food.
8. Use cloth napkins.
9. Turn the water off while you brush your teeth.
10. Use your towels several times before washing them.
11. Install low-flow shower heads.
12. Turn the heat down while you’re out and asleep.
13. Garden.
14. Grow indoor plants.
15. Clean with baking soda.
16. Wear your clothes more than once before washing them.
17. Order coffee in a reusable cup.
18. Walk to the corner store rather than driving.
19. Shop locally.
20. Live near your workplace.
21. Use public transit.
22. Ride your bike.
23. Reduce your consumption of disposable items.
24. Get out and enjoy nature (you’ll automatically want to help preserve it).
25. Use gift bags that can be reused (and then reuse them).
26. Support fair trade.
27. Take David Suzuki’s Nature Challenge.
28. Eat more veggies and less meat.
29. Carpool.
30. Choose an energy-efficient vehicle.
31. Wash clothes with a full load.
32. Run your dishwasher only when full.
33. Repair leaky toilets.
34. Repair leaky faucets.
35. Use a low-flow toilet.
36. Plant drought-resistant native species in your garden.
37. Use high-efficiency appliances.
38. Wear natural materials (organic, when possible).
39. Support local farmers.
40. Learn about local environmental issues.
41. Eat whole foods.
42. Avoid excessive packaging.
43. Carry reusable shopping bags with you.
44. Support alternative energy sources.
45. Use recycled paper products.
46. Let the dishes in your dishwasher air dry.
47. Use rechargeable batteries.
48. Use cloth diapers.
49. Support green businesses.
50. Air dry your laundry.
51. Decorate your home with natural, renewable materials.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:16 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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9. Turn the water off while you brush your teeth.

Also use baking soda/salt/peroxide instead of expensive toothpastes that come in nonrecyclable things.
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12. Turn the heat down while you’re out and asleep.

Let the woodstove go out during the night in March/April and wake up to a cold house. It's not as bad as you think.
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28. Eat more veggies and less meat.

ONLY if those veggies are local. It's rather pointless to eat avocados in Minneapolis in January if you can run down to your freezer and take out a hunk of locally grown pork...
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37. Use high-efficiency appliances.

How about ditching some appliances, such as... a dryer: don't need it. No electric canopeners, food processors, coffee grinders, etc. Everything can be done by hand (or air dried).
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38. Wear natural materials (organic, when possible).

This might make you feel VIRTUOUS but it is not efficient. You gonna turn your nose up to a decent polyester shirt you found at Goodwill or buy your imported, six thousand mile "organic" tank top?
Overall, an admirable list. Just don't fool yourself that so-called "organic natural alternative free-range" product is anything but a marketing device to make you think you're the new Thoreau.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:01 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I agree that we should all do these things, however, if doing all these things simply allows another billion or so people to live on the planet the net gain will be zero.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:45 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yeah, I don't personally agree with all of them(such as the things KillJOY pointed out), but I figured the list as a whole was too good to mess with.
And excellent point Cynus. I just hope these things will keep a billion people from dying that don't have to when energy becomes scarce, not increase the population.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:03 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think there are sufficiently good pointers to justify a bump on this.
Use a reel lawn push mower. Great exercise and no gas.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 4:34 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think there are sufficiently good pointers to justify a bump on this.
Use a reel lawn push mower. Great exercise and no gas.


I agree with the 'bump'.
Funny, I was thinking about this just today. I waste plenty of water (and gasoline) keeping the backyard grass green during the hot summer and was pondering the future removal of portions of the lawn area.
I think push mowing will be a phase many will go through before those with grass lawns skip the mowing altogether and convert their grassy areas to vegitable garden areas.
The sooner the better... but not this week.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 4:43 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

eastbay,
Leave the small grassy areas for a goat which will give you great milk. If you don't have enough space for a goat then convert to vegetable garden like you said.

If you are in a suburb then maybe a goat is a bit of a nono for now but not for long!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

actually, for lawn mowing, if your so inclinded, get a couple of sheep. Evan if just minitures. They clip the grass, not pull and they, like chickens, make great garden tractors.
I do agree about the lawnmowing th9ing, I would much prefer a small veggie garden and orchard to sterile grass, but....... maybe tomorrow. though I would point out that I have started my orchard on my small wood lot.
Does that count.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Some of the simplest things we could do..sigh Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What really gets me is the way a number of posters here use Jevon's Paradox to counter any argument on conservation. Or the common argument, it'll only delay Peak Oil, not stop it.

Both these arguments, I think, miss the point. The point is that we need every second of delay we can get to prepare for a world with less oil. And the sooner we start conservation efforts, the more time we have to get used to living with less oil.

Who cares if China burns the last barrel of oil instead of the US? The greenhouse effect doesn't care - the last barrel is going to get sucked out and burnt no matter how much we conserve. And if we've learned not to use that barrel, what impact does someone else burning it have on us? Unless, of course, there's a "it's not fair! we're conserving but no one else is!" element to the argument.

The conservers are still the lucky ones, because they've gone through the social and cultural changes voluntarily and at their own pace, rather than being forced to change abruptly in a hard landing scenario.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

lowem wrote:

For PC's, I'd say at least setting the monitor power-saving mode helps a lot, especially for cheapos like me who can't afford (and don't want) LCD panels and have stuck with CRT's. Set to 5 or 10 minutes, and it's off.

The PC itself takes a lot less power than the monitor especially if you're running anything newer/better than Windows 95/98. Windows NT and XP (and 2003 should as well) come with a "System Idle Process" that issues the HLT instruction (HALT, actually) when doing nothing in particular.

Oh, and if you're actually going to buy a new CPU, avoid the Intel Pentium 4's, *especially* the P4E's - they're the V8 energy guzzlers of the processor world nowadays. The AMD64's are cheaper, run faster in most applications except XVID, MP3 encoding (who does that all the time anyway), run cooler and use much less energy.

Mine's an AMD64, it runs at 41 degC idle, 44-46 degC running 3D games, and up to 56 degC XVID encoding. Intel P4E's typically run at over 50 degC *while idle*. And heat up over 60-70 degC, guzzling way over 100W at full throttle.


Newest generation Pentium chips (Pentium D, and Core Solo/Duo) are much more power efficient than previous generation Pentium 4s and Athlon 64s. Major things which will eat power alive in computers besides processors include cheap power supplies, monstrous video cards, and high-speed hard drives. This can be mitigated (like with major appliances and most electronics) by purchasing name brand components, going for value-edition video cards which are based on modern small-channel processing yet don't have massive clock speeds, and sticking with modern drives with fluid bearings. Newer hardware is much more energy efficient.

Also, the statement about a computer's tower taking up less power than a 100-watt CRT is just plain false. This link can help you calculate just how much power your computer uses. Changing to an LCD will save you a good amount of power. They use somewhere on a range of 1/3 the power as a CRT. Like a CF lightbulb, it saves you money in the long run.

As a general rule with semiconductor electronics, power consumption is controlled by the following factors:

    channel width (smaller is better)
    clock frequency (lower is better)
    die size (smaller is better)
    source voltage (lower is better)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: 51 Easy Conservation Techniques Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Here's a suggestion that doesn't require any increased work on your part and in fact saves you time (and loads o' money): a new style pressure cooker. Well designed new pressure cookers, being perfectly safe, aren't like the ones of old. They cook food two to ten times faster than ordinary cooking methods and, as a result, cut the energy used for cooking by about 70%. Unlike microwave cooked food, the meals taste superb, and pressure cookers cook food in a fraction of the time compared to slow cookers.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Easy Conservation Techniques Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I checked the link, and it looks exactly like the one I bought in Estonia three years ago. On a vacation trip.
Yes, pressure cookers save in many ways. Shorter cooking time, cheap cuts. Tough meat gets tender and tasty, like old hens - a favorite of ours, that we can get at a local small farm. Inexpensive meals.
Dry peas and beans ccok fast too.
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