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I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.

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jasonraymondson
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Short Term | Long Term Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Let us say that this little issue works out for now and economy starts to 'magically' get better. How long until all of this magic money they have introduced begins to wreck havoc in the system.

I know that eventually prices have to start rising, you can't increase the quantity of one thing without affecting the demand of another and vice versa.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Short Term | Long Term Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

On the upside it is giving Oil consumption a kick in the balls, delaying PO.

On the downside, new investments into hard to get Oil might get screwed over lowering the URR.

If it buys us even five years then the collapse may be worth it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject: Re: Short Term | Long Term Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

idiom wrote:

If it buys us even five years then the collapse may be worth it.


That is, if you can stay employed and make use of that time to invest in preps rather than living hand to mouth.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject: Re: Short Term | Long Term Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The desperate steps governments are now taking to prop up this fundamentally unsound system may mean a quieter week next week, at least in the first few days, but I can see the optimism fading when people get their head around current events and I expect to see markets falling again.

Medium term things may stabalise/improve somewhat, but longer term (months/years) they've doomed us all.

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There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved
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It's clear which path we are headed down! Hyperinflation and national bankruptcy for some.
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