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topfuel
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 Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: ground potential energy |
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I looking for investment ideas for my new source of energy
hear is some the reasons ground potential energy works.
all house hold electrical 120 volt systems have grounded neutrals
therefore that current travels through the ground back to the
power station sometimes hundreds of miles away.
I propose that one can tap that energy on it's way back
to the power station of course I have said very little how I will
achieve that,not to give away the idea.. |
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evilgenius
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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If you can tap into that I think you can tap into the quantum field. There isn't much more that you have to do. Now then, can you really do it?
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diemos
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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go to college.
Take physics 101.
Come back next year and write us an essay on "why this idea will not work." |
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topfuel
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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if we had to rely on educators to invent things ,we would be
impressed by the action of the "WHEEL" |
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diemos
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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If you are going to work on energy sources then your efforts will be more fruitful if your thinking is grounded in physical reality.
Extractable work is given by the potential difference times the current. The potential difference is zero. Extractible work is zero.
Of course, if you're just looking to extract and blow some investors money then this is a great idea. You should throw in monopoles and groundstate energy while you're at it. I'm afraid hydrinos are already taken. |
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mos6507
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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The zero point energy thing is all about magnets because you can get results that kind of look like it works but it doesn't because in the end even if you get some energy out of them, you are slowly demagnetizing the magnets. Think Orbo.
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diemos
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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Orbo!
Now there's a blast from the past. So where's my limitless free energy? |
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katkinkate
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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There's no such thing as a free lunch, nor free energy, nor perpetual motion. I think the closest you get is when you plant a seed in the ground, it grows up mostly by its own efforts and produces food, which you can eat to get almost free energy to do work with your body. Everything else has a much higher establishment and running costs.
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topfuel
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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| diemos you have tap into your fear that your not the smartest.... |
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ohanian
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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| topfuel wrote: | I looking for investment ideas for my new source of energy
hear is some the reasons ground potential energy works.
all house hold electrical 120 volt systems have grounded neutrals
therefore that current travels through the ground back to the
power station sometimes hundreds of miles away.
I propose that one can tap that energy on it's way back
to the power station of course I have said very little how I will
achieve that,not to give away the idea.. |
I agree. Why not just get the free energy from car's exhaust? One day I almost burn myself with the hot exhaust gas. There must be loads of energy in car exhaust? How about we use it to turn a turbine and generate electricity? |
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MD
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:41 am Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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| topfuel wrote: | I looking for investment ideas for my new source of energy
hear is some the reasons ground potential energy works.
all house hold electrical 120 volt systems have grounded neutrals
therefore that current travels through the ground back to the
power station sometimes hundreds of miles away.
I propose that one can tap that energy on it's way back
to the power station of course I have said very little how I will
achieve that,not to give away the idea.. |
I'll try and give you a real answer instead of the bitch-slaps up-thread.
Start with a little analogy: Think of your power lines as a water pipe full of pressurized water and you are living in a houseboat. You turn on a tap and the water flows out into a sink, down the drain, and out into the lake that you are floating on. The water comes from a pumping station on the other side of the lake.
Think about that for a minute. The analogy works reasonably well, but now let's look at another point:
Alternating Current works on a push-pull principle. The electrons at your ground rod don't travel through the ground, at least not very far. The distances of electron movement at a ground rod would be measured in microns, not meters.
Another analogy: (be careful with this one...don't carry it too far)
Think of your ground potential not as a flat "zero volts" everywhere you go. Think of it more like the ocean. Calm in places, very wavy in others. Right before lightning strikes the ground there can be a great peak in localized energy...a "ground spike". Like a towering wave in one spot. Many miles away the ground potential, at that instant, can be many thousands of volts different.
Did you know that up in the ionosphere the "ground value" is many hundreds of thousands of volts? No way to tap that potential though.
Anyway: keep thinking and keep ideas flowing and keep learning!
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topfuel
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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ya volts your way off base trying to fiqure out how I propose too
tap the ground potential energy ha "ground rods 'ha ha |
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MD
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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*sigh*
ok never mind.
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Madpaddy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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Just to lighten up this otherwise pointless thread.
| Quote: | A young couple are making passionate love in the back of the guy,'s van when suddenly the girl, being a bit kinky, yells out: "Oh big boy, whip me, whip me!". The guy obviously doesn't have any whips to hand. But not wanting to pass up this opportunity, he has an idea. Opening the window, he snaps off the antenna from his van and proceeds to whip the girl until they both collapse in ecstasy.
A week later, the girl notices the welts from the whipping session are starting to fester, so she visits her doctor. The doctor takes one look at the wounds and asks: "Did you get these marks having sex?" The girl is embarrassed but admits what happened. Nodding his head knowingly, the doctor exclaims: "I thought so. In all my years as a doctor, this is the worst case of van aerial disease I've ever seen!". |
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kublikhan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: Re: ground potential energy |
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| diemos wrote: | | If you are going to work on energy sources then your efforts will be more fruitful if your thinking is grounded in physical reality. |
What he said. People could save themselves a lot of hassle by doing a simple reality check.
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