I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
We knew the toll was much higher than what they were saying it was.
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More than 300 people are missing since Hurricane Ike hit the Texas coast last month, and the obstacles to finding them are frustrating family and friends who desperately want to know if their loved ones are dead or alive.
These family and friends want answers: Why are so many still missing? Why has the first organized search for bodies, to be held Thursday on the battered Bolivar Peninsula, taken so long?...
...The frustration about the post-Ike recovery runs deep for Robin Huber, pastor of a church that was destroyed along with her home in Gilchrist. Huber estimates only seven homes are still standing in Gilchrist, which is surrounded by huge piles of debris.
The amount of debris is unfathomable, Huber said, and it was hurled with such force that residents can barely dig through it.
"Imagine that all of these homes were picked up and dropped from a high airplane," she said. "It looks like a bomb exploded here and the pieces are so stuck in the earth, it's impossible to pull out. Who knows what is in there."
Cars and trucks litter the road leading to the highway as if they were trying to escape at the last moment, Huber said.
_________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Lan’s team expected to stay for at least 4 days, documenting the aftermath of the storm, and bringing the story back to the rest of America. That was before a total media blackout was declared by Texas officials, a no-fly zone was imposed upon the entire area, and journalists were told they must leave Galveston immediately. And that’s when we decided we were not letting this story go.
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Hurricane Ike: 300 people still missing
Whatever. I mean the government cover up is creepy, but for God's sake....I've never seen a weather service report before that said "If you don't leave, you're facing certain death." It's hard to get much more emphatic than that. I don't like the cover up aspect, but if people stayed and died, oh well. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Hurricane Ike: 300 people still missing
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Whatever. I mean the government cover up is creepy, but for God's sake....I've never seen a weather service report before that said "If you don't leave, you're facing certain death." It's hard to get much more emphatic than that. I don't like the cover up aspect, but if people stayed and died, oh well.
The real issue is not the people who died, it's the families who are spending hours and money trying to find their loved ones who are missing. _________________ Conservation is conservative
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change. -- Charles Darwin
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Hurricane Ike: 300 people still missing
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Whatever. I mean the government cover up is creepy, but for God's sake....I've never seen a weather service report before that said "If you don't leave, you're facing certain death." It's hard to get much more emphatic than that. I don't like the cover up aspect, but if people stayed and died, oh well.
+1
I would just add only 300.
I turned into a bit of a naysayer after the storm passed and I still expected more, a lot more, than 300 to be dead. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Hurricane Ike: 300 people still missing
wisconsin_cur wrote:
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Whatever. I mean the government cover up is creepy, but for God's sake....I've never seen a weather service report before that said "If you don't leave, you're facing certain death." It's hard to get much more emphatic than that. I don't like the cover up aspect, but if people stayed and died, oh well.
+1
I would just add only 300.
I turned into a bit of a naysayer after the storm passed and I still expected more, a lot more, than 300 to be dead.
Yup, over 40,000 refused to leave the coastal areas around houston and there was a 15 foot wall of water over them... _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 156 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Hurricane Ike: 300 people still missing
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Whatever. I mean the government cover up is creepy, but for God's sake....I've never seen a weather service report before that said "If you don't leave, you're facing certain death." It's hard to get much more emphatic than that. I don't like the cover up aspect, but if people stayed and died, oh well.
Thinning the herd, as my husband would say.
Harsh, but I think a lot of us are getting desensitized to these types of things as we go forward. People are going to have to start taking responsibility for themselves or face the consequences.
Unfortunately, we are going to see a lot more suffering of children because their parents make stupid choices.
What does this say about human nature? Some of us can literally be told "Do this or die" and we choose to ignore it.
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Hurricane Ike: 300 people still missing
why did they not leave?
Maybe they had no friends off the island? Maybe they had no money to leave? Maybe they feared for their homes? Maybe they were drunk and broken and didn't give a sh*t?
But it is surely true that the destroyed and abandoned homes in the worst neighborhoods have been anointed. The rot of poverty and ignorance has been cleansed by the God's storm. The healing prophesies of the global free market are now free to bring in a New Day on Galveston. What were once blighted neighborhoods will surely glow in the Gulf sun as Lily-White McMansions grace the once blighted ghettos.
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Hurricane Ike: 300 people still missing
pstarr wrote:
why did they not leave?
Maybe they had no friends off the island? Maybe they had no money to leave? Maybe they feared for their homes?
Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide.
You know, if somebody told someone who owned a $1M Ranch in Idaho that a Wildfire was coming and would consume his home and property and 5 years worth of split wood and food and Propane, would he LEAVE that property? Heck no, he would get out there and fight the fire until he was consumed himself by it.
The folks on Galveston Island who did not leave had Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide. The ripple effect of this wave is travelling ever outward, and we ALL have nowhere left to run, nowhere to hide.
Those with large investments in the markets have been scrambling for months looking for some safe haven for their wealth. Last week Commodities, this week T-Bills. Except of course ALL of these asset classes are WORTHLESS now.
Abandon your home today, you are destined for the Human Waste recycling plant in San Antonio. The Gooberment cannot afford to provide FEMA trailers to all of you. The folks in Galveston made the CHOICE to Stay where they Lay. As was said in the Last of the Mohicans:
"#1) Whoever they are, though they are strangers, they are at least entitled to a Christian burial. They cannot be left behind.
#2) Let us go miss.
#1) I will not. I’ve seen the face of war before, sir, but i have not seen it waged on women and children — almost as cruel as your indifference.
#2) Miss Monroe, they are not strangers…and they stay as they lay.
And yes one more prophetic quote from James Fenimore Cooper
"My father’s people say that at the birth of the sun and of his brother the moon, their mother died. So the sun gave to the earth her body, from which was to spring all life. And he drew forth from her breast the stars, and the stars he threw into the night sky to remind him of her soul. So there’s the Cameron’s monument. My folks’ too, I guess.
You are right, Mr. Poe. We do not understand what is happening here. And it’s not as I imagined it would be, thinking of it in Boston and in London.
Sorry to disappoint you.
No, on the contrary. It is more deeply stirring to my blood than any imagining could possibly have been.
Someday you and i are going to have a serious disagreement
Stay alive–no matter what occurs–I will find you
The French haven’t the nature for war.
The frontier moves with the sun, and pushes the red man out of these wilderness forests, in front of it…until one day there will be nowhere left. Then our race will be no more.
The whole world’s so vile.
The whole worlds on fire."
Yes indeed, the whole world is on fire now. That is YOUR monument out there also, like the Cameron's. The sun and the stars in our universe. Those are the bright lights of the spirits that bring light unto the world.
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Hurricane Ike: 300 people still missing
ReverseEngineer wrote:
Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide.
You know, if somebody told someone who owned a $1M Ranch in Idaho that a Wildfire was coming and would consume his home and property and 5 years worth of split wood and food and Propane, would he LEAVE that property? Heck no, he would get out there and fight the fire until he was consumed himself by it.
I am a BIG believer that the forest service should NOT fight fires in wilderness. If you decide your stuff is more important than your life, fine. I'm not advocating the national guard coming to drag you out before the storm. If you knowingly choose to risk your life, and die, why is that my concern? Is this like how I'm supposed to feel sorry for the poor bankers that were playing derivative roulette and got burned? Cry me a river. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Hurricane Ike: 300 people still missing
I though Galveston was all fix up by now, and only 19 people died. I haven't seen anything on the news about it, I though ike wasn't as bad a expected. More than 19 people die in some soccer arena celebrations.
I can't even stand to watch the news anymore, I don't believe any of it.
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