I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: When Northcom deploys . . .
Cashmere wrote:
americandream wrote:
The fact that you Americans have so undermined the noble principles of your Constitution by tolerating slavery/racism has meant that the document has been watered down to the extent that its principles aren't really valued by you as a people. Hence the document means as much to a red neck thief intent on stealing billions from you as it does to a noble saint residing in a monastery.
It will take an absolute and literal abiding by the intent and words of that document before it retains a consistency. As it is, what does it really mean? Not much other than the cost of the piece of paper it is printed on.
Silly nonsense. Let's start with this - there is no other document in the world that means nearly as much. Let's end with this - the Constitution wasn't affected by racism or slavery - the Constitution was diminished by the Supreme Court, which was responsible for gutting the original intent. And, um, as I understand it NZ was stolen from natives, who are now actively discriminated against and who don't like white people. Clean your own house before you bitch about your neighbor's.
Whoa, ease up on those horses boy! The desire for freedom is a human desire. If you purport to make that the central tenet of your society's objective in a document and then turn around and crap on it, then be prepared for all the other nonsense that follows including other abuses of that document.
New Zealand has never purported to stand for anything other than what emerges from time to time via the direction of our political system. It isn't some idealised utopia nor do we claim it is. Rather an imperfect place with a less than ideal past. We claim no high place in the global order, many of us would rather we cut our ties with Europe and went it alone in the South Pacific as a new nation with an imperfect sense of direction. And most of all, we do not seek to play mind fcuk games with ourselves. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: Re: When Northcom deploys . . .
Cashmere wrote:
And, um, as I understand it NZ was stolen from natives, who are now actively discriminated against and who don't like white people. Clean your own house before you bitch about your neighbor's.
And US? Natives there, mostly genocided, rest actively discriminated against? Some seeking independence from US?
There was also something about some white folks stealing the founding principles of a native federation (intellectual property violation!!!?), misunderstanding what made it good, what made it work, and distorting it into "US Constitution".
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: Re: When Northcom deploys . . .
See the thing is Northcom is nothing new, just because there is a little rattle on the ground doesn't mean there has never been a presence. link And I ain't been bombed or strafed yet.
Take it easy people.
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USNORTHCOM’s official response to Commission on National Guard and Reserves Final Report February 1, 2008
PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. -- U.S. Northern Command’s primary mission is Homeland Defense, and the command stands ready to respond to any homeland defense or civil support mission requirement.
“The U.S. military absolutely has the capacity to respond to potential threats within our nation today. It will get better in this coming year and continue to improve beyond that,” said Gen. Gene Renuart, USNORTHCOM commander.
Established in 2002 as a result of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, USNORTHCOM has dramatically expanded DoD’s focus on all aspects of Homeland Defense, including planning and exercising, as well as organizing new headquarters and units that are specifically tailored for domestic response.
USNORTHCOM has prepared detailed plans for responding to situations that range from pandemic influenza to Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear events, and the command has redefined its readiness capabilities since Hurricane Katrina.
When it comes to providing forces in response to incidents, the command has nearly 50 National Guard officers fully integrated within its operations, in addition to National Guard Civil Support Teams located within every U.S. state and territory, and 17 regional consequence response units.
USNORTHCOM also utilizes an active-duty military response unit of nearly 450 Marines who are the “gold standard” for responding to weapons of mass destruction attacks. In addition, there are pre-identified active-duty and Reserve components (4,000 members each) on a short string to provide additional muscle to initial response teams.
USNORTHCOM’s primary mission remains defending the homeland, and Americans can be assured the U.S. military is ready and capable of responding to attacks within the United States. H
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: US Army Prepares for SHTF in the States
TheDude wrote:
SILENTTODD wrote:
Hmmm, maybe the Army should try this in Iraq. A family member who returned this year from a 15 month deployment told me everybody there has an AK47 and a supply of ammo. Nothing seems to have made these people give up their guns and they have little more than their lives and their families.
The father of a friend of mine served in WWII, through the US occupation of Germany. He says standard op was top-to-bottom door-to-door confiscation of EVERY firearm. Didn't matter if it was an 18th century snaphaunce that had been hanging on the wall for 150 years, the GIs took it. Everything on the block would be piled up in the street and run over by a Sherman tank.
Why such measures are considered unacceptable now I couldn't tell you. Only recourse is to delve into various CTs regarding the neocons' objective. Or the circumstances/logistics prevent disarming the Iraqis now. Either way it's pretty disgusting.
Do you really think for a moment they got all of them? I saw lots of p38's and lugars as kid, not to mention Mauser rifles. Where did they come from? _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: US Army Prepares for SHTF in the States
Your papers please
uh......... I only have a pipe.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: Army combat unit to deploy within U.S. CNN
Army combat unit to deploy within U.S.
updated 10:32 p.m. EDT, Fri October 3, 2008
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States military's Northern Command, formed in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks, is dedicating a combat infantry team to deal with catastrophes in the U.S., including terrorist attacks and natural disasters.
The 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry, which was first into Baghdad, Iraq, in 2003, started its controversial assignment Wednesday.
The First Raiders will spend 2009 as the first active-duty military unit attached to the U.S. Northern Command since it was created. They will be based in Fort Stewart, Georgia, and focus primarily on logistics and support for local police and rescue personnel, the Army says.
The plan is drawing skepticism from some observers who are concerned that the unit has been training with equipment generally used in law enforcement, including beanbag bullets, Tasers, spike strips and roadblocks.
That kind of training seems a bit out of line for the unit's designated role as Northern Command's CCMRF (Sea Smurf), or CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force. CBRNE stands for chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and high-yield explosive incidents.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Re: US Army Prepares for SHTF in the States
Thank you Mods for combining these 2 threads. I Should have realized that one was already posted.
Now that CNN has posted it and MSM is aware, people will may start paying attention. I was on another site when I found this story. They have a thread started where people are posting if they see any heightened military presence and where. Not a bad idea actually.
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: US Army Prepares for SHTF in the States
Has anyone noticed how Russia has been moving its long range nuke bombers around our country and has been reported that they have stationed more subs off our shores and now testing there missiles, they also have been perpairing there army's for somthing big.
Could this be why they are now putting in a active army in our country now other than stated, our military has a very hard time in a small 3rd world type country during a war why would you think they would be any better here with about 400 million people and lots of guns to go around.
By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer
Oct 13, 2008, 00:16
(WMR) -- WMR has learned from knowledgeable Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) sources that the Bush administration is putting the final touches on a plan that would see martial law declared in the United States with various scenarios anticipated as triggers. The triggers include a continuing economic collapse with massive social unrest, bank closures resulting in violence against financial institutions, and another fraudulent presidential election that would result in rioting in major cities and campuses around the country.
In addition, Army Corps of Engineer sources report that the assignment of the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team (BCT) to the Northern Command’s U.S. Army North is to augment FEMA and federal law enforcement in the imposition of traffic controls, crowd control, curfews, enhanced border and port security, and neighborhood patrols in the event a national emergency being declared. The BCT was assigned to duties in Iraq before being assigned to the Northern Command.
On April 3, 2008, WMR reported on a highly-classified document regarding the martial law scenario: WMR has learned from knowledgeable sources within the US financial community that an alarming confidential and limited distribution document is circulating among senior members of Congress and their senior staff members that is warning of a bleak future for the United States if it does not quickly get its financial house in order. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is among those who have reportedly read the document.
The document is being called the “C & R” document because it reportedly states that if the United States defaults on loans and debt underwriting from China, Japan, and Russia, all of which are propping up the United States government financially, and the United States unilaterally cancels the debts, America can expect a war that will have disastrous results for the United States and the world. “Conflict” is the “C word” in the document. The other scenario is that the federal government will be forced to drastically raise taxes in order to pay off debts to foreign countries to the point that the American people will react with a popular revolution against the government. “Revolution” is the document’s “R word.
Federal Government COOP, COG, and ECG plans and operations shall be appropriately integrated with the emergency plans and capabilities of State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to promote interoperability and to prevent redundancies and conflicting lines of authority. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall coordinate the integration of Federal continuity plans and operations with State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to provide for the delivery of essential services during an emergency. (The White House, President George W. Bush, NSPD 51/HSPD 20, May 7, 2007)
It should be kept in mind that top secret annexes of this document have been withheld from Congress, despite repeated requests--and legal oversight requirements--by the House Homeland Security Committee, as Peter Dale Scott reported in March for CounterPunch.
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