How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
We all saw this coming, here it comes... get ready for food shortages soon..... _________________ Tired of high gas prices? Then stop driving to work, duh..... Learn to Work from home
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Fertiliser Shortages
Natural gas is a raw material in many of our products we depend on.
Almost all the helium we produce comes from natural gas.
Propane, synthetic fertilizers, ammonia?
They are totally dependent on natural gas.
Our population boom was fueled by synthetic fertilizers made from natural; gas. Once the gas dries up so does the fertilizer and a shortage of fertilizer equals a shortage of food.
We will run out of natural gas, just as we deplete our crude supplies in the near future.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Fertiliser Shortages
Natural gas is used to make fertiliser in multiple steps. The fist step is to make hydrogen from the natural gas. You don't need natural gas however. Other energysources can also be used to make hydrogen, like coal and biomass. Before we can think of a hydrogen economy, we should make a transition in the way we produce our hydrogen as a chemical feedstock, before thinking of new ways to use hydrogen.
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Then stop driving to work, duh..... 
