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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ludi wrote:
RedStateGreen wrote:
That reminds me, I read that you could roast bones in the oven and grind them. Probably after making soup would be the best time!


I just bury them in the garden to decompose over time.


My compost heaps regularly reach the 160-180 degree F range, so I don't have a problem adding small amounts of bones and other animal matter to them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Fish - can be buried in the garden directly (but will attract critters which can be a problem) or you can whack it up with a good knife and then "blender it ala "bassomatic"" and make your own fish meal puree. Place in a bucket with some chopped kelp, a little molasses if you have it (helps with the decomposing process) - cover tightly and let sit for a few weeks - stirring it once a day if possible. Will turn into a foamy on the top gooey mess. Just dilute with water and you have a fish meal drench. Those of us near the seashore can find "dead critters" on the beach if you just head out as the tide is going out.


Do you have a major odor problem? Looks like a good product, but for most people the smell could be a major deterrent.

The Tallahatchie River is my front yard, so I've been thinking a numbers of trot lines might be part of my strategy...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Fish emulsion drenches do stink. It takes about two days for the "odor" to remove itself... but it is a miracle shot of nutrients and combined with Kelp is a real homerun brew.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Rabbit manure, don't forget rabbit manure! It is a great source of nutrients, and can be applied straight to the garden without fear of burning your plants. It comes in convenient pellets that make for easy application.

Rabbit manure has made all the difference in my garden this year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

DoubleD wrote:
Fish emulsion drenches do stink. It takes about two days for the "odor" to remove itself... but it is a miracle shot of nutrients and combined with Kelp is a real homerun brew.


I guess I wasn't thinking about the drench part as much as the "few weeks" you have it in the bucket. It sounds like something I wouldn't want to be within a couple of miles of, much less to stir it every day.

Not trying to be picky, just to find out if I'm missing something.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Place in a bucket with some chopped kelp, a little molasses if you have it (helps with the decomposing process) - cover tightly and let sit for a few weeks....


I think you may have missed the "cover tightly" part. I use a five gallon bucket with a tight fitting lid that has an inner rubber gasket. It sits behind the shop in the shade of the shop and tall trees. Yes it stinks to almighty when you open it up - but not otherwise.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:54 am    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

green_achers wrote:
Correction on my post above. The worm casting liquid rate was actually about $16,000/#N. Not quite as bad. According to the article, the NPK numbers are extremely small. Not sure what this means, since I've always heard that worm castings are supposed to be very high in nutrients. Maybe it's because liquid fertilizers are mostly water.


available nutrients vs. nutrients locked up in tissue.

when the decomposed plants the worms eat come out the back end, they are ready for use as food, by a plant. helped along by various tiny organisms that transfer food chemicals to the plant's roots.

the fresh grass needs a few years of "cold composting" (like it would get on a forest floor) or 3 months of hot composting (where the bacteria heat up the compost pile) before the nutrients are close to being as available as in the earthworm castings.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Rabbit manure, don't forget rabbit manure! It is a great source of nutrients, and can be applied straight to the garden without fear of burning your plants. It comes in convenient pellets that make for easy application.

Rabbit manure has made all the difference in my garden this year.


I have to second this. I also use it straight from the rabbit to start my tomatoes in. this year I started half in rabbit manure and half in store bought potting mix and it is hard for me to exagerate the difference.
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got the pictures. It is a little hard to tell in the photo but the three large plants on the outside were started in rabbit manure. The one in the middle is representative of those started in potting mix.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:47 am    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Urine at a 1:10 dilution is a great source of nitrogen and phosphorus. With rock phosphorus 'peaking', this is a good alternative.


FWIW

My garden is in cleared Ozark forest. The only fertilizer I use is urine. My pepper plants wilted after applying 1:10. They recovered but I switched to 1:15 and they seem to like it better.

There's quite a bit of excitement about Golden Fertilizer; Google: urine fertilizer, and be amazed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I lost most of my peppers this year from some sort of root rot, and in almost every case, it wasn't long after I gave them a shot of "liquid gold." I've been using about .1 solution.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I tried the 1:10 urine on some plants recently and it really seemed to give them a boost.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Somebody in this or some other thread I'm too lazy to look for was talking about getting different results depending on the time of day. I think the key is that there's wide variation in urine content. My ex-partner was commenting that when I "fertigate" with the .1 solution, it had a better result than when she did. I tend to eat more protein than she does. I'm guessing a heavy meat eater should dilute theirs even more.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

green_achers wrote:
Mother Earth News did a comparison of organic fertilizers in a recent issue. They used N as their standard and found that the best bargain was grass clippings, at $0/#N. The best commercial source was alfalfa pellets. The worst was the commercial worm casting liquid, at about $40,000/#N.

I collect grass clippings and other yard waste everywhere I can find it.


I have a 1/4 acre and no longer leave my grass clippings on the lawn. I bag the lot and use it as mulch, and in my composter.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to purchased fertilizers Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

My neighbors and I have been experimenting with spent coffee grounds, great for nitrogen and so on.

One neighbor in particular has been getting large amounts of spent grounds from Starbucks, you can call them in the morning and they'll give you a bunch instead of throwing it out. It comes with some filters mixed in, you can either weed through to pull them out - or, if you're composting, just throw them right in with the mix. Tea and tea bags are supposed to be fine too, but we haven't tried them yet.

After peak, coffee will probably be one of the more expensive items around, but I imagine there will always be at least some spent grounds available. Then again, that's what I once thought about used cooking oil too! Confused
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