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stu News Editor


Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 2498 Location: Ye Olde Englande
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject: "Life After the Oil Crash" Matt Savinar |
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The website and book that first bought awareness about PO to myself and doubtless many others.
Savinar lays out all of the facts that you need to understand about Peak Oil and all of the implications of it. Starting with what is Peak Oil he then moves to to discuss why other forms of oil extraction will not work and then proceeds to do the same thing with alternative energys. Finally he paints a very grim picture of a future defined by resource wars, food riots and a mass die off.
If you are introduced to PO through this book then it will probably scare the crap out of you. Savinar paints the most bleakest picture possible. Even going so far as to say that we should develop a sense of humour because we are all going to die anyway.
However his style of writing is easy to read as he starts each section with a question relating to PO and then answers it, which gives the reader easy access to information.
Very pessimistic but also very informative.
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basketballjones Heavy Crude


Joined: May 17, 2004 Posts: 140 Location: sydney, australia
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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I had almost the same experience. Matt's lifeaftertheoilcrash website is how i found out about PO. I remember sitting there almost dumbfounded after fully comprehending it's consequences. The realisation that oil powers every single aspect of our society.
It's a great site, but i don't think i agree if it will be quite the hard crash scenario Matt paints. |
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vic Coal


Joined: Jan 11, 2005 Posts: 14
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: Thanks to Matt Savinar |
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Matt Savinar really deserves appreciation to bring the issue of oil depletion to so many of us including me. Though he pessimistically paints the scenario, anything better is possible only by looking at the worst scenario.
pre-informed is pre-armed. |
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albente Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Aug 20, 2004 Posts: 1336
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Sure very informative what Matt put toghether. His inspiration in turn has been Michael Ruppert (http://www.fromthewilderness.com) . What I don't like about Matt Savinars style is that he asks questions just to answer them with "absolute" answers. I am aware that there is no way to escape Peak Oil, every child can understand, that at some point supply of a finite resource cannot keep up with an constantly growing demand.
He seems very self absorbed as an individual and I wonder how he makes his money these days. Some of you guys might remember how he left this forum last year August in protest since he was attacked by a certain Jay Morrison. I laughed my tail off, Jay was just hitting the spot while Matt responded nastily in response mails starting out like "hey Morrison you nutless wonder" and the like. Listed in the Hall of Flames, Matt Savinar and a wasted live:
http://peakoil.com/fortopic626.html
In that sense I don't care for the guy personally. Jay Morrison is a solid fellow on the other hand (not to be mixed up with Jay Hanson, one of the really dark angels of Peak Oil, right on the line with R.Duncan).
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FatherOfTwo Intermediate Crude


Joined: Nov 11, 2004 Posts: 977 Location: Heart of Canada's Oil Country
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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I too had the bulk of my initial education about Peak Oil via Matt's book. And yes, it depressed the hell out of me. He doesn't hold anything back.
I like the style - it's very easy to read and he covers all the bases.
My only gripe is his foray into the 9/11 conspiracy arena. I personally feel that the 9/11 conspiracies are very shaky. Maybe they're true. But it detracts from the book. Some people I'm sure will read it and say, oh, this guy is another conspiracy nut and then everything he's had to say about Peak Oil instantly has cold water thrown on it.
It would be much better if the 9/11 section (and the future war scenarios too) were thrown out.
My $0.02 (Canadian of course!) _________________ Do not underestimate the difficulties of surviving the transition of peak oil, nor the dangers of global warming. We must embrace nuclear energy and renewables. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: Matt Savinar - Life after the oil crash |
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| It seems like everyone has been discussing the information on his website like it is just something to talk about for awhile, exchange viewpoints and then move on to some other topic. Does anyone know how to grow food? Where do you think the best locations out west would be to set up commnities? |
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EnviroEngr Site Admin


Joined: May 24, 2004 Posts: 1924 Location: Richland Center, Wisconsin
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: Moved |
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The discussion that started here was moved:
http://www.peakoil.com/post50795.html#50795 _________________ --------------------------------
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Yavicleus Heavy Crude


Joined: Jul 16, 2004 Posts: 364
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Savinar's book is definitely eye opening. It is filled with doom and gloom though, and sprinkled with conspiracy theory type writing that may offend and turn away some readers of the right-wing persuasion.
That being said, I think he does a great job of analyzing and presenting the problem in a very easy to comprehend manner.
Overall, I liked it, but it's not a great book to use as an 'intro' to Peak Oil for people that don't know much about it. Give Savinar's book to your relatives, and they'll think you're a loony. Instead, I'd recommend something more along the lines of Heinberg's books for your intellectual friends & relatives, and something like "the End of Oil" for the rest. |
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MattSavinar Elite


Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 1990
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mgibbons19 Light Sweet Crude

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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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I read the review. They do a nice job.
[threadjack]
It's funny that you can even open the book with a question like "I thought there were forty years of oil left - what's the problem?"
Just a rant, but my grandmother is ninety-farking-two. So the most we can imagine in terms of our civilization is half her life? I'm 35, with luck I will make it to 75. And we can't imagine farther than that? My kids are 5. I hope we bequeath to them a world after they barely hit middle age.
When I'm feeling cynical, this is exactly the kind of thing that bothers me.
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good job kid |
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Bluster Coal


Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 11
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Matt,
Please, contact me at your convenience. I would like to discuss the possibility of the re-print of the Eng of Age of Oil is Over in Brazil as well as its translation in Portuguese.
Regards,
Boris
boris@lifestylesbrazil.com
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MattSavinar Elite


Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 1990
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| Leaf wrote: | I read Matt's books last year and refer to it from time to time. Its pretty solid and lays out a good format. Its easy to read and has good info it in it for new-introduced to peak oil...or those of us who have read and know peak oil for sometime. i enjoy how he laid out the alternitive energy debate..I use what he says often when I try to bring up peak oil to people who say the alternatives will save us.
One point I STRONGLY!!!! Disagree with is his assesment of the future he thinks the USA 15 years post peak oil will look like modern day Russia???? Unmmm I dont think Matt has been to Russia...unmm last I looked modern day Russia's are vastly into permaculture and are not underfeed..we have a great public transport and near everyone owns a garden and grows their own food....So I would like to see Matt revise his view of Russia. I think curently Russia is a better place then the USA to live! Freindly people good health system, lots of culture, pretty women ...Not that bad here really!
Its a pretty good book overall..but about 80% is already laid out on his website. Really no need to buy his book unless you want his...idea of 911 conspiricy...you can buy Rupperts book on that if you think Dick Cheney was the Wizzard of OZ behind the 911 scene.
Out of 5 stars I give it 4.
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Leaf,
I'm 99% sure you're referring to the first edition (the 120 page one). The second edition (the 200 page one) has the Russia reference eliminated.
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Revi Fusion


Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Posts: 3111 Location: Maine
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| I couldn't sleep after I read Matt's book. I think it's good to spur people to action with the cold hard facts. I wish we could also have a how to manual for the average person that outlines what to do. I don't think it'll be a hard crash, but I may be wrong. Overall it is a very readable book that lays it all out. I'd rather be told the truth about the situation. I agree that it's a bad one to give to relatives to convince them. John Howe's book The End of Fossil Energy and a plan for sustainability is much better to give out. He avoids politics and includes a plan to step down energy use 5% per year. Savinar's book is for us hard core peakers. I loved it, but I love what I call "uh oh" books. They are nonfiction books which have you turning the pages saying uh oh! His is on my list for the best of that genre. |
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Jdelagado Heavy Crude


Joined: Apr 29, 2005 Posts: 151 Location: Phoenix
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: "Life After the Oil Crash" Matt Savinar |
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| stu wrote: | The website and book that first bought awareness about PO to myself and doubtless many others.
Savinar lays out all of the facts that you need to understand about Peak Oil and all of the implications of it. Starting with what is Peak Oil he then moves to to discuss why other forms of oil extraction will not work and then proceeds to do the same thing with alternative energys. Finally he paints a very grim picture of a future defined by resource wars, food riots and a mass die off.
If you are introduced to PO through this book then it will probably scare the crap out of you. Savinar paints the most bleakest picture possible. Even going so far as to say that we should develop a sense of humour because we are all going to die anyway.
However his style of writing is easy to read as he starts each section with a question relating to PO and then answers it, which gives the reader easy access to information.
Very pessimistic but also very informative.
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I also heard about peak oil from his site. I got a hold of it and read his book.
Some good points in there; I learned ALOT from him- but when he throws out a TON of conspiracy theories 70% through it (until the end), I now regard him as a CRACKPOT...
I'd much rather listen/read Richard Heinberg and James Kunstler's views on peak oil then this guy!!
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Jdelagado Heavy Crude


Joined: Apr 29, 2005 Posts: 151 Location: Phoenix
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Leaf wrote: | | Don't know if anyone told you but Richard Heinberg is a conspiricy theory holder also. Matt Sav. has good reading I also enjoy Kunstler and agree with Kunstler on being alergic to conspiricy thoery. Yeah matt goes into the conspiricy in the last few pages of his book..."you wouldn't know Matt held this view until the end of his book by the way" Anyway its like this...I dont want to throw away my dictionary becasue I dont agree with some of the words in there...Their is alot of good info in matts book...one needs to make a balance...and when you want to say things like..Richard Heinberg is great...Matt crack head....and then I look at both writters and they both agree on near all issues...conspiricy also...next time think before you write...i don't think you have read much of Richard Heinberg's writtings if so you wouldnt be so quick to call Matta kook and Richard Heinberg a near saviour... |
Yes, Heinberg has his theories too but he's not a CRACKPOT like Savinar is in my view.
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