Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:09 am Post subject: I'm honestly freaked out
I've followed peak oil pretty closely over the past few years and I'm honestly freaked out at this point. I never really believed that it would actually happen so vividly and pointedly as it has over the past year, and I've indulged in a little denial recently, but I dont think thats really going to work now. I'd like to believe that theres some vast conspiracy to push food and energy prices to new levels whats the best argument someone can put forward to show it, I'd like something else to believe please.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out
Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad,
Other things just make you swear and curse,
When you're chewing life's gristle,
Don't grumble,
Give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistle]
Always look on the light side of life.
[whistle]
If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten,
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps.
Just purse your lips and whistle.
That's the thing.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistle]
Always look on the right side of life,
[whistle]
For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word.
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin.
Give the audience a grin.
Enjoy it. It's your last chance, anyhow.
So,...
Always look on the bright side of death,
[whistle]
Just before you draw your terminal breath.
[whistle]
Life's a piece of crap,
When you look at it.
Life's a laugh and death's a joke it's true.
You'll see it's all a show.
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life.
Always look on the right side of life.
[whistle]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistle]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistle]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistle]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistle]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistle]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistle]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistle]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistle]
Repeat to fade... _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
- Pet Shop Boys
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out
zoidberg, I agree, it seems unlikely there is some sort of "vast conspiracy" to push up oil and cause food shortages. BUT! I reckon we'll see 'price adjustments' as soon as Hillary drops out of the race, it's possible prices will continue to drop slightly in the run up to the U.S elections, once the candidates have been confirmed and are off and finally running.
The conspiracy is simply that corporations took over just about every vital institution for running the world economy. This has happened over a long period, and now that the take over is complete, the consequences are manifesting. It's easy to think some evil conspiracy is at work aiming to kill off large swathes of the world's population, by virus, and now hunger. This would work, if countries were all run by the same brand of asshole as runs America. Fortunately, there are less assholes in Malaysia, Thailand, China and India for example, and these people will eventually bring the situation back into some kind of balance, although it will not resemble what we've come to expect.
Most of what we're witnessing is actually the death of the free market dogma, the decline of "cap-it-all-itis". I don't mean we shall soon be reverting to ancient ways, that could only happen if we had paid no attention whatsoever to the past 200 years or so. But I am prepared to accept that I don't know where we're headed, except it can only be some place better. It is always easier to foresee collapse, decline, crumbling destruction, it's never easy to visualise what unforeseen developments may arise from the chaotic and unpredictable.
And if this brand of positivism doesn't do it for you, then let's just sing along to Micki's post ......
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out
Yeah it is surprising, all that's happened recently has confirmed what I talk about all the time about how the insiders have control of the playing field. Though I've come to realize they have a higher degree of control than I had originally thought. _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out
zoidberg wrote:
I've followed peak oil pretty closely over the past few years and I'm honestly freaked out at this point. I never really believed that it would actually happen so vividly and pointedly as it has over the past year, and I've indulged in a little denial recently, but I dont think thats really going to work now. I'd like to believe that theres some vast conspiracy to push food and energy prices to new levels whats the best argument someone can put forward to show it, I'd like something else to believe please.
And you do well to be freaked out, things that not a long time ago were in the province of theoretical discussion in a fringe group like us (for mainstream society) are starting to unfold, and everything is downhill from now on.
We are in uncharted terrain now, things may last for months as they are, or something may give up all the sudden. It is time to stock up, just in case... _________________ Stocking up on popcorn
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out
mmasters - I don't agree that it's as fine as you suggest.
Too many people, failing economies worldwide, lots of "liquidity" squishing around = price of basic goods - read food and commodities - go up. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
The reality keeps hitting each of us, one by one, with that familiar sickening thud. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out
Heineken wrote:
The reality keeps hitting each of us, one by one, with that familiar sickening thud.
That ends in a bone crushing thud.
Enjoy the trip down !! _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out
Cashmere wrote:
mmasters - I don't agree that it's as fine as you suggest.
Too many people, failing economies worldwide, lots of "liquidity" squishing around = price of basic goods - read food and commodities - go up.
I don't know that fine is the right word to characterize it, it's kind of like we're all part of a bizzare-unethical-super-monolithic-private corporation. _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out
I happen to like the fruits of the corporations. I like cheap razor blades and vodka, good music, cheap but well-built furniture, cheap food, I like the boot to be pressed down on the neck of the third world. What's wrong with it?
If you want to voluntarily become a peasant, go move to India or something. Fark that, I like being rich.
The reality keeps hitting each of us, one by one, with that familiar sickening thud.
Yea, but this is about me, so therefore my own thread. The slight different twist is that I've actually been engaging in a little bit of denial about it. But last night I freaked out a couple of close friends about it when I recognized they'll ignore the warning signs until the end, and absolutely refuse to think about the implications of vast increases in food and energy. Then I recognized the same things in myself, as of late, blaming speculators, making fun of 80 kg limits on rices purchases etc.
So yes I borrowed a chunk of your meme, but its a little different and I wanted to talk about myself a bit, so there.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out
I've noticed that one of the easiest ways to freak yourself out is to actually find someone who will listen to you talk about peak oil and related matters as much as you want. When your done telling them the whole story they're looking at you like "WHAT?", and you're actually looking at yourself the same way because you have been listening to yourself talk and you realize how awful it all sounds.
It really sucks, and yet it's going to be one of the most exciting and challenging times to be alive in all of history, if you like change that is.
In 100,000 years, if someone showed you a timeline of human history and said you could live during any period, I'll bet the 2000-2050 period would look like an interesting time to be alive.
Right now, though, we're all just like a bunch of nervous horses jostling around in the starting gate. _________________
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out
zoidberg wrote:
But last night I freaked out a couple of close friends about it when I recognized they'll ignore the warning signs until the end, and absolutely refuse to think about the implications of vast increases in food and energy. Then I recognized the same things in myself, as of late, blaming speculators, making fun of 80 kg limits on rices purchases etc.
Quite a surprise when you discover something new about yourself, isn't it?
That adrenolin rush when you jump from one plane of existence to another is a biggie. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out
BigTex wrote:
I've noticed that one of the easiest ways to freak yourself out is to actually find someone who will listen to you talk about peak oil and related matters as much as you want. When your done telling them the whole story they're looking at you like "WHAT?", and you're actually looking at yourself the same way because you have been listening to yourself talk and you realize how awful it all sounds.
Have you actually found anyone who, at the end of telling them all this, actually accepts it right off and doesn't immediately go into protective denial? If so you must have one hell of a presentation.
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