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Ludi
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 Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| BigTex wrote: |
How about a tree surgeon? |
Nope, don't need one of those either. 
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BigTex
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| Ludi wrote: | | BigTex wrote: |
How about a tree surgeon? |
Nope, don't need one of those either. |
Could you use a witch?
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Ludi
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| BigTex wrote: |
Could you use a witch?
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Already know a bunch of them.
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BigTex
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| Ludi wrote: | | BigTex wrote: |
Could you use a witch?
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Already know a bunch of them. |
How about a chupacabra?
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Ludi
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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Hey, yeah!
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BigTex
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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I sensed you were needing something, I just didn't know what.
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Pops
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| Jack wrote: | | [However, if you have an algorithm to select those you would prefer to contribute to the dieoff, I'll be glad to take a look. |
Don't know nothing about algorithms, nor do I have a preference about who will die except it not be one of mine.
But as far as probabilities, it seems to me the chances for survival of someone in an urban area staring into a nightscope waiting for any sign of the dieoff to fulfill their prophesies aren't much higher than someone digging grubs from under a log.
Of course the grubber wants to survive, so my point is moot I suppose.
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| JPL wrote: | | Ludi wrote: | | I have no questions for a shaman at this time. |
I think any true shaman right now would have already toggled their yurt shut and have stocked up on yack butter & be smiling toothlessly at their grandchildren.
Such is life (grin).
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You make it sound so attractive! How did that '80's song go, "I'm too sexy for my yurt"? |
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Jack
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| Pops wrote: | | But as far as probabilities, it seems to me the chances for survival of someone in an urban area staring into a nightscope waiting for any sign of the dieoff to fulfill their prophesies aren't much higher than someone digging grubs from under a log. |
Perhaps. But cast your glance back to the 1929 depression.
You will find that the politicians arranged a variety of aid for city dwellers, while those in rural areas faced privation. It is indeterminate whether the same paradigm will apply to the current festivities; but history is worthy of review.
My compliments on your perception with regard to my avatar.
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Pops
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| Jack wrote: | | [Perhaps. But cast your glance back to the 1929 depression. |
You are hard to pin down Jack! (check your new thread) 
My folks said they didn't feel poor because they were poor before the crash.
I gotta go with what I know.
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| Fishman wrote: | MrBean
If forests are more important than humans, lets take your logic further, do you have any shamen friends who could get rid of you? You are willing to sacrifice yourself for the good of the forests, right? Or in classical treehugging manner, do you want others to sacrifice, but not yourself since you are "enlightened"? |
Any logic that does not start from the realization that one is part of the forest is mistaken. Mans founding relationship with forest is not either-or, but together.
Forest gave birth to humans and humans have lived with forest for millions of years. Only the Oedipal complex of civilization tries to kill and rape forest, who is our father and mother. When Oedipus realizes he is the cause of plague, he blinds himself. |
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MrBean
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:59 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| BigTex wrote: |
What about killing a tree? Is that a bad thing to do? What if you help the poor with the wood you get from the tree?
What about when a volcano erupts and basically does a tree genocide (herbicide?)--is that bad? Is the volcano a force of evil?
What about the other plants that have to die for the tree to live, or even the other trees that have to die for a large tree to live (sort of like in the Rush song "The Trees")?
Let's say you are an environmentalist caveman, and your policy is only to use dead wood for firewood, but one day all of the dead wood is gone and you need to chop down a live tree to heat the cave and cook the mammoth cuts. Is it okay to chop down a tree then, or should you starve and freeze to death?
If you are walking along and you see a bully tree beating up a helpless person, are you justified in jumping in and defending the helpless person?
If a tree fell on your house, would you be justified in going into the forest and dropping a house on a tree? |
In my language the definition of stupidity is not to see the forest from the trees.
Forest is the maximum of life.
Tree is the erection of soil. Your relationship with a tree is penis envy.
Hah. |
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BigTex
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| MrBean wrote: | | Tree is the erection of soil. Your relationship with a tree is penis envy. |
I'm going to go sit under a tree and meditate on that one.
Your imagery has me thinking about tree sap in a different way. 
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btu2012
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| MrBean wrote: | | Forest gave birth to humans and humans have lived with forest for millions of years. Only the Oedipal complex of civilization tries to kill and rape forest, who is our father and mother. When Oedipus realizes he is the cause of plague, he blinds himself. |
Most people think that savanna gave birth to humans. Forest gave birth to forest apes.
In my language stupidity is defined as talking without making sense.
Btu
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anagami
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| btu2012 wrote: | | MrBean wrote: | | Forest gave birth to humans and humans have lived with forest for millions of years. Only the Oedipal complex of civilization tries to kill and rape forest, who is our father and mother. When Oedipus realizes he is the cause of plague, he blinds himself. |
Most people think that savanna gave birth to humans. Forest gave birth to forest apes.
In my language stupidity is defined as talking without making sense.
Btu |
We share common ancestors with animals that lived in trees for millions of years. Starting with a cute little organism living in trees.
Either way, evolving into tree-cutting predators is not our natural niche. Even if the first human was not living in a tree... and now that I think about it, when we started living apart from trees surviving became very difficult. And we evolved into a too intelligent species... that now kills its prior symbiotic homes; trees.
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