We cannot drill our way out of this oil crisis. Since 2000, oil companies working in the U.S. have doubled the number of wells drilled per year.
Although increased drilling has added new oil to the nation's supply, it has not done so fast enough to offset the terminal decline of existing fields.
We are going to have to import more of our oil. Period.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: After You, Sir....
charliebrownout wrote:
I know I'm not the only person in the world who feels there IS a better way out there. I'm not sure if that means permaculture, small communities, playing games instead of waging war, returning to an earlier form, or what it means. Still, I think there IS a better way--free from elites and other forms of subjugation--which will lead people to a more humane (and maybe happier) existence.
Again, I think the answer is on the tip of humanity's tongue. We almost know what it is, but we just can't say it out loud yet.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: After You, Sir....
The day that we learned to produce massively more than we needed--i.e., the day the factory was born--was not a good day.
From the factory all sorts of bad things have grown, while our world has appeared to get richer with all of the products we have created.
The factory system has little use for human frailty and its only core principle is to increase efficiency.
The factory is a big part of the problem. Ralph Borsodi made the case convincingly in "This Ugly Civilization." _________________ We're all Big Wave Riders. Some just don't realize it.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 10744 Location: Village of Idiots
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: After You, Sir....
mos6507 wrote:
Everyone has ideals. The fact that you are bringing up this contrarian viewpoint means you are trying to point out what you see as a "better" way.
Okey dokey.
"Adaptive" = "better"
surviving as a species is better than going extinct
I guess I think it strange that you say you agree with much of what I have to say on the board,mos, when my "contrarian viewpoint" has been consistent from the beginning. I can't think there's much we can possibly see eye to eye on, if we don't see eye to eye on this. Our positions are too different from each other. I have posted about this from the beginning, and nothing I have to say or post is apart from this "contrarian viewpoint."
Perhaps you actually don't understand my viewpoint, or what I have been posting about all along..... _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Joined: Mar 04, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Hong Kong
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: Re: After You, Sir....
Jack wrote:
charliebrownout wrote:
Elites are not really necessary and heirarchy isn't necessarily a good thing.
Those who are not of the elites and are not above the median of the hierarchy will agree to that.
And everyone of them would knife their mother in the back to be an elite at the top of the hierarchy.
Believe it.
Projection. Just because you would knife your mother to join the elites doesn't mean everyone else would. _________________ "We shall live in interesting times, and we shall die in them too." - Heineken
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:09 am Post subject: Re: After You, Sir....
Ludi wrote:
I guess I think it strange that you say you agree with much of what I have to say on the board
Too many people here have a lot of pent up anger. They almost want PO to break out so they can start killing people (or eating them). Or at the very least, they are so bitter about what humanity has come to, that they want to see us go extinct.
So I appreciate your less destructive outlook.
Ludi wrote:
Perhaps you actually don't understand my viewpoint, or what I have been posting about all along.....
I guess not.
I understand the part about building a sustainable homestead. Obviously that has practical advantages that people from any ideology could appreciate. So I'm with you there. It's the remaking of society part that I am hazy on.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 10744 Location: Village of Idiots
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: Re: After You, Sir....
mos6507 wrote:
It's the remaking of society part that I am hazy on.
That's ok. It's good we can share some useful or helpful information anyway.
Maybe if you read some of those links you'll get a clearer idea of what I'm talking about regarding our culture. But it's ok if you don't. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: After You, Sir....
mos6507 wrote:
threadbear wrote:
Tell them, Ludi! The good old "Survival of the fittest" bullcrap. Poorly understood in natural systems, and a rationalization for criminal, self interested behaviour, in human social systems.
I'm not trying to push a Gordon Gecko anti-morality. I'm just saying if everyone took a closer look at their lives they'd realize they aren't as guiltless as they seem. Ever won a job over someone else? Maybe that guy was in financial straights, and jumped off a bridge because he couldn't support his family.
It wouldn't be the person's fault if the other guy committed suicide. Life is tough, and the person who got the job won it fair and square, and it's not his fault that some chicken crap couldn't deal with the crap life threw at him.
Imagine how the world would be if we had to give into whiney suicidal wimps. They'd say, "give me your job and $5000 or I'll jump of a bridge." What am I supposed to do... give that hypothetical emo clown what he requested? No farking way. This life is tough, you gotta earn your keep. If someone wanted an easy life, then they were born on the wrong farking planet.
Also, I don't see how this comparison has anything to do with the elites. The guy getting the job is just trying to survive and he happened to be lucky enough to win the job over the whiney emo guy. The elites on the other hand, have to have more and more and more and more money... similar to a fat man stuffing his face while others starve in front of him, they're never satisfied. The only reason they give is because they have ulterior motives, such as boosting their already gigantic ego (ex..."I'm so rich I that I can give all this money away and it barely dents my bank account"), good public relations, etc. There is no comparison between someone who is middle class or lower and those rich bastards. They are wolves in sheep hearder's clothing and the majority of society is the sheep.
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 3614 Location: Working the Beat
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: After You, Sir....
Ludi wrote:
hubbertspeak7777777 wrote:
This life is tough, you gotta earn your keep. If someone wanted an easy life, then they were born on the wrong farking planet.
My life's been really easy, except for health problems. I haven't found it "tough" except for the health problems and shyness.
Guess I was born on the wrong planet!
Everyone lives on a small planet that sits atop their shoulders.
I hope you have made strides in your shyness discussing things here. You don't strike me as shy at all. _________________ We're all Big Wave Riders. Some just don't realize it.
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