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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch finally outlaw sex with animals
Plantagenet wrote:
Just say no to sex with animals, birds and insects.
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this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten
future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is
ours, chew and eat our fill.
Joined: Oct 27, 2006 Posts: 680 Location: Soviet Canada
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch finally outlaw sex with animals
EarthGamePlayer wrote:
Although I have no personal physical attraction to animals, the argument against it seems incredibly weak.
Sure, sex with animals doesn't involve their consent, because we can't ask them if it is OK.
Yet we don't ask them it is OK if we:
Keep them caged or fenced in
Squeeze their mammary glands every single day
Take away their eggs
Force them to make with other animals
Take away their children
Kill them
Eat them
I'm not necessarily saying sex with animals is a good thing, but the arguments that are used against it are ridiculous. We don't treat animals as humans (again this is a statement of fact, not an ethical stand), and so we can't pretend in this one case that we do.
Yeah, it seems a little askew. People can beat their dogs, and neglect them, but they can't let them Fark them.
I am wondering how long the Dutch can maintain their "anything goes" society. There must be great pressure from surrounding countries to conform to more conservative values.
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Dutch finally outlaw sex with animals
gampy wrote:
I am wondering how long the Dutch can maintain their "anything goes" society. There must be great pressure from surrounding countries to conform to more conservative values.
Yes there is, but also pressure from inside our own country. With two Christian parties currently in our government, this is no surprise. A while back a large whore-house was closed in Amsterdam. So called 'smart-shops' where supplies for growing your own weed are sold, are being outlawed. But i guess we all have to get used to things being outlawed/forbidden. _________________ The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones.
Joined: Mar 14, 2008 Posts: 43 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Dutch finally outlaw sex with animals
Hey baby, how you doin'?
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Joined: Jan 18, 2008 Posts: 70 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Dutch finally outlaw sex with animals
WTF!!!
So, having sex with animals was not a crime in the past?
I didn't know that...i wonder how many years the government took to agree on this law. I bet some party's where against this law, as usual.
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I am wondering how long the Dutch can maintain their "anything goes" society. There must be great pressure from surrounding countries to conform to more conservative values.
It's pressure from inside the country making us surrender our freedom.
"Conservative values"? Screw that!
Prostitution is legal...is that wrong? It's the oldest craft in the world and it happens everywhere with or without laws forbidding it. By making it legal it's possible to control and even tax prostitution to some degree.
Gay marriage...who are YOU to decide two males/females can't marry each other?
Smoking weed...let me put it this way....alcohol is drugs too. Trust me, if more people smoked weed instead of drinking beer many fights and acts of random aggression could be avoided.
About a year ago i watched FOX News comparing this wonderful country with Sodom and Gomorrah. I'm still pissed because of that! The bastards!
Have fun!
Roach _________________ "The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." ~ Albert Einstein
Joined: Mar 14, 2008 Posts: 43 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Dutch finally outlaw sex with animals
kakkerlak wrote:
About a year ago i watched FOX News comparing this wonderful country with Sodom and Gomorrah. I'm still pissed because of that! The bastards!
That was bad, yeah. The #1 exporter of hardcore porn telling us that we are too open about sex. Scantily clad sluts behaving like cheap whores on TV 24 hours per day in the US, not to mention dozens of brutal murders, but a nipple briefly during the superbowl almost results in a lynching.
The irony is, that here we have the same hypocrisy on a smaller scale: the areas which have the highest number of extreme protestants also have the highest number of porn vids sold and rented, and one of the highest incidences of incest and child molestation. _________________ Nature shows that with the growth of intelligence comes increased capacity for pain, and it is only with the highest degree of intelligence that suffering reaches its supreme point.
Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5196 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch finally outlaw sex with animals
bl00k wrote:
A while back a large whore-house was closed in Amsterdam. So called 'smart-shops' where supplies for growing your own weed are sold, are being outlawed. But i guess we all have to get used to things being outlawed/forbidden.
First they came for the whores and their whorehouse.
Joined: Mar 26, 2005 Posts: 3673 Location: over here
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: Re: Dutch finally outlaw sex with animals
Plantagenet wrote:
First they came for the whores and their whorehouse.
but no one stood up for the whores
interestingly enough there's a labor union here for prostitutes, as well as a labor inspection to see if nothing fishy is going on. (xcuse the pun) _________________ "The best thing about the future is that it comes only one day at a time."
Joined: Oct 27, 2006 Posts: 680 Location: Soviet Canada
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch finally outlaw sex with animals
Not sure if this is on topic, but I think it might inform the discussion.
Quote:
Open-Air Sex Plan for Vondel Park Angers Amsterdam Residents
By Martijn van der Starre
March 19 (Bloomberg) -- Amsterdam, known worldwide for its leniency to marijuana use, is courting more controversy with plans to decriminalize open-air sex in its most popular park.
Vondel Park draws about 30,000 visitors a day to its 116 acres near Museum Square, home to the Van Gogh Museum at the city's center. At night, the park is a destination for men looking for sex.
Local authorities may allow so-called cruising after dark, while restricting any sexual activity to the park's rose garden. The proposal is similar to the city's drugs policy, which turns a blind eye to cannabis in coffee shops even though the sale of the drug remains illegal.
``It's a dumb decision,'' said Agnes Simon, a member of the neighborhood council governing the park and political party Christian Democratic Alliance. ``I'll be dead against it. You may as well abolish all rules.''
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch finally outlaw sex with animals
Glad you brought that up, Gampy. Public sex should be punished severely, and I don't mean in a bondage and discipline way.
Some gays frame it as an almost "human rights" issue, describing public sex as part of their culture. Bullshit, I say. What if, for example, blacks or, hispanics used the same argument--it wouldn't fly. The other argument, that you can make it illegal, but they'll just do it anyway, is weak.
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