How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: good places to buy stuff
I think we should buy some stuff like:
hand tools
an old fashioned hand drive grain grinder
a pedal sowing machine
...
were are good places to buy? (Besides tradingpost ebay)
Most second hand shops are short of these items and flea markets as well. I know one stall at Rocklea (Brisbane) flea market who sells tools.
Ebay has the disadvantage that you cannot have a look at the things.
So you try to get some stuff as well?
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: Re: good places to buy stuff
If you feel you are going to need these items then you are expecting to need them for a long time. Thus, the best thing to do is learn how to repair and make them. Then you are not limited to looking for pristine items, you can pick up junk and rehabilitate them. _________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
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This is a good place to start, at least looking. A lot of useful non-electric products (the most vulnerable resource of our modern civilization). Also a number of books on the Amish way of doing things.
I understand your point of view RdSnt . But sometimes it's more useful to at least see one working example of device before you venture into repairing or building one. The products here are well made (some of them by Amish entrepreneurs) and I would vouch for this company. _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: good places to buy stuff
Yes; but more importantly really I could repair a broken one.
To extend that thought though, what kind of grain mill are you thinking of? Some big dutch windmill type thing. Yes I can could build one, including dressing the stones. But there are many types of mills and sizes. A mortar and pestle will do for small quantities. A big bucket with a long pole would do bigger quantities.
You could adapt other type of equipment, a hammer mill for instances.
Lots of possibilities. Hell, a couple of good sized grinding wheels used to sharpen knives would do the trick. There's even a hole in the middle already
alokin wrote:
the lehmanns link is good, however it is not in Australia.
RdnSt, good hint but I really cannot imagine building a grain mill myself! Could you?
_________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie.
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