Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3585 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Europe // Germany grain - food in strong decline 7-10% 2
Tyler: "Natural gas can't be transported across the ocean? "
How much of what fuel would be needed to extract the gas, ship it, unload it, then transport it to factory to make the fertilizer? _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Europe // Germany grain - food in strong decline 7-10% 2
Ferretlover wrote:
Tyler: "Natural gas can't be transported across the ocean? "
How much of what fuel would be needed to extract the gas, ship it, unload it, then transport it to factory to make the fertilizer?
Not much.
The key is producing the fertilizer at source. The gas gets pumped out and is carried along a pipeline into a fertilizer plant after a bit of pre-processing. The result is packaged, trucked a few miles to a port, where it is loaded onto a cargo ship. Shipping is very energy efficient.
The gas-rich states will be feeding the world for some time to come, or at least those parts of it on which they will continue to be dependent on arms, security and heavy industrial equipment.
Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4530 Location: Boston, MA
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Europe // Germany grain - food in strong decline 7-10% 2
Twilight wrote:
Ferretlover wrote:
Tyler: "Natural gas can't be transported across the ocean? "
How much of what fuel would be needed to extract the gas, ship it, unload it, then transport it to factory to make the fertilizer?
Not much.
The key is producing the fertilizer at source. The gas gets pumped out and is carried along a pipeline into a fertilizer plant after a bit of pre-processing. The result is packaged, trucked a few miles to a port, where it is loaded onto a cargo ship. Shipping is very energy efficient.
The gas-rich states will be feeding the world for some time to come, or at least those parts of it on which they will continue to be dependent on arms, security and heavy industrial equipment.
Exactly.
Saudi Arabia is currently building the world's largest fertilizer factory, IIRC.
Qatar is also working towards developing its chemicals industry.
The Market trends towards efficiency. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse."
Joined: Jun 20, 2007 Posts: 521 Location: USS Poland
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Europe // Germany grain - food in strong decline 7-10% 2
MrBean wrote:
Yeah, the beloved CAP...
And let's not forget the biofuel idiocy, which is allready playing a big role.
That's the cause - smaller crops, not fertilizer and stuff, but more and more land to fuel production.
In Poland we had the best crops of wheat ever! Prices went to the roof as the price in the European Market is high... _________________ The poor complain; they always do,
But that's just idle chatter.
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