Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:21 pm Post subject: "Crossing the Rubicon" Michael Ruppert [1]
clv101 wrote:
I haven't read Crossing the Rubicon yet but from what I've read about it would I be correct in thinking Ruppert central point is that Peak Oil is behind everything we're seeing today regarding "war on terror" and global economy? If so is his book the best selling Peak Oil book?
You are correct that Peak Oil is one of Ruppert's central points, however he does not present a detailed analysis of it since his book is focused on the behavior of the "American Empire" and specifically the events of 9/11.
It is a little inaccurate to say it is a "Peak Oil book" but it does include discussion on the topic as part of a wider topic.
yeah theres a lot more in that book then just peak oil.. therse only a few chapters on it, but its good. hes just trying to show the underlying reasons for 9/11, 'war on terror' ,etc, etc. by showing this is the US's response to Peak Oil. They needed war to get resources, but also needed the backing of the American people. 9/11 and the war on terror provided the backing for the war, even thought they were all acts of our own government simpily to draw support on a much needed war.. Its much more then a peak oil book but then again he makes it clear that Peak Oil is such a problem that it is pushing the American Empire into what we are now doing today.. and its only the begining
Ruppert wove peak oil into his book, as it plays a significant part in what the Empire--and the rest of the world, for that matter--is up to these days. But he says himself (yes, IN THE BOOK) that peak oil has been taken up by many people now, and it has entered mainstream thought. He no longer has to focus on peak oil as an individual subject, because more than enough people are doing that now. He is very happy about this.
His frustration is on record over at his site, www.fromthewilderness.com: they printed x many copies in the first printing. It sold out like hotcakes. So naturally, the printer was reluctant to print a bunch more, fearing they wouldn't be bought! Massive protest from We The People, encouraged by Ruppert, got them to change their minds. Of course, they are still not printing in the quantities that you'd expect from a best-selling book--and make themselves much money, the be all and end all of any publisher's goals! This leads one to the reasonable conclusion that SOMEONE is putting pressure on the printers. Meantime, the books are still being ordered (there may be some still on backorder from when there weren't any). People WANT THIS BOOK.
Thus, this saga is bound "to be continued." This makes Ruppert, and those of us lucky enough to have, and have read, the book, very, very happy, indeed!
At one point, I had seen the book at #34 on Amazon when I bought it.
I'm only a 128 pages into it (it's a BIG BOOK) and I'm totally spooked and paranoid now. I will never look at our gov't, the CIA and Wall Street the same. I am a newcomer to the age of Peak Oil INFO and Ruppert's book brought me into this field of knowledge. I have already started reccommending this book to many of my friends, who now think I'm crazy, which is pretty unfortunate because it really makes me see how people just don't want to look at reality. They would much rather live in an existance of denial because life is much easier that way. But like many of you here, I think knowledge is power and it only frustrates me that my loved ones will not pay attention.
For those who haven't started reading this book yet, I INSIST. When I watch the media now, I chuckle at how and the ways in which they supress the truth.
Yeah I think this book could have been on the NY Best seller list already if the publisher had printed the ammount of books being demanded. The book was in the 30's on Amazon sales ranking before the book sold out, now the rating is in the 300's. At the rate this book was gaining attention it could have been a bestseller by now - but due to the publisher priting a low ammount of books the sales arn't as high as they should be. I personaly called New Society and asked them why they were not printing Crossing the Rubicon as fast as they should - the replied that there were problems and the ammount of books they printed had to be cut down The first run of 30,000 books sold out and the waiting list for the book is already about that number, for some reason the publisher only wants to print 10,000 more which would not even make up for the people on the waiting list.. this book is seriously gaining some attention and I do think the government is at least trying something to stop this book from getting the populatiry that is possible. Get the book, if you can
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:44 am Post subject:
I 've just finished reading Cross the Rubicon and my initial thoughts are that it is an amazingly researched book and would totally change, if not, make you strongly question how you view the world.
Essentially what Ruppert does is show that 9/11 was planned and allowed to happen in order for the "war on terror" to commence. The War on terror is actually going to be a series of resource wars that will see the world fight over the last remaining supplies of oil. In his conclusion at the end he seems to say that this occurred because of the dissapointing results that were coming from drilling in the Caspian Sea- an area that had been called "the next Middle East". Realising that oil shortages were coming they then set up the 9/11 tragedy using the CIA, the DofD and other government agencies.
There is a lot more that I could explain but it is just too much. What people who have not read this book need to realise is that it is 600 pages long, contains over 900 sources of information (including well known newspapers and news agencys) and took Ruppert two years to compile. These facts alone would convince me of Rupperts research abilities and his credentials.
I notice that people also say that the main reason for not believing him is because he is still alive or that he is just a wacky conspiracy theorist. Firstly he admits that the question he is most frequently asked is "why is he still alive?" His main answer is that he believes that it would not be cost effective for the CIA to kill him as he is not important. Though it does beg the question that if he has just blown the whole secret plan wide open why is he not deemed a priority for assassination.
Secondly I would not describe him as a wacky conspiracy theorist for the following reasons. When he is answering unanswered questions on 9/11 he uses information that was released by news agencies such as AP and Reuters but which were never really followed up by the mass media. Also a look at his credentials dispells the conspiracy theorist tag. His newsletter From The Wilderness is sent to 16,000 subscribers. Amongst these people are 35 members of the Senate, members of intelligence commitees and professors of universities. From what I know conspiracy theorists don't attract these kind of audiences.
Of course the only way to know is to read the book for yourself and I would thoroughly recommend it.
He's probably still alive[b] because[\b] he is widly discounted as a conspiracy theorist. If he were to be killed under unusual circumstances there is a certain danger that more people would take him seriously.
I've just finished the first section of the book and his argument that there is a connection between severel distinct situations in world politics is very compelling. For example Ruppurt points out that the so called drug war has really served to consolidate the worlds drug production in countries which are firmily under the control of the US. Columbia now produces nearly all of the cocain in circulation and Afghanistan the heroin. On the surface it just doesn't make since, our tax dollars are supposed to be fighting a war against drugs so why is it that over the past 20 years drug production has become so centralised and increased so much. Ruppert explains, and the argument rings true. He does this again and again with various US interventions around the world and ties them together in what appears to be a coherent general plan for world domination and control of resources.
I challenge you to read the book and provide evidence to the contrary.
(these are from FTW, CounterPunch, Axis of Logic and Vive le Canada).
Please note that google news only covers 30 days of news articles from 4,500 news sources.
In other words, not a word of this book in the last month in the mainstream press. Not one.
Why am I only mildly surprised?
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject: 9-11
Wish I knew more about this "Peak Oil" business, but I'll check out the book... I have a feeling it helps to confirm what a lot of us have thought since 9-11... It was to perfect of everything on 9-11, never really added up when you looked at the facts... Like how we still have the same supposed 19 hijackers of that day, yet 7 of these guys have turned up alive and well in other countries...hmm... Or that the trade towers came down faster than the law that encompasses the rate of speed at which a free falling object can travel allows... The wrld is so interesting if we just look into it a bit...lots still to do beside watching tv
PhilBiker, I don't think Rubbert's assertions are "illogical" at all. In fact, each day they seem more and more logical. Please give an example of where Ruppert combines fact with wild leaps of illogic, so that we can say, "Oh, yeah, that was a wild leap of illogic." or "No, actually Ruppert's view confirms what I see with my own eyes and feel in my own heart."
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:54 am Post subject:
The problem with using the news media as sources is that the new media is generally wildly inaccurate. If you don't believe me, just become involved in something where you are witness to an event that is reported on such as a traffic accident and you'll see what I mean.
You could probably spin any kind of conspiracy out of the garbage laying on the newsroom floor.
i haven't read the book but it's on my list to do so. though the fact that rupert was once in a insane asylum only makes me think it's just the rambleings of a person who is not running on all cylinders.
I personally Don'tTrustRuppert. One sentence from that last link sums it up quite well
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Ruppert is an expert at combining facts with unreliable reports and wild leaps of illogic.
On what account do you discredit him? That article you linked to seems pretty one sided in itself, aiming only to discredit Rupperts work. What event to you makes you think Ruppert is illogical, besides that one sided Ruppert-bashing internet link? Ruppert has been reliable many, many times. His work is very well documented and the proof is real. He has predicted economic problems correctly before they happened twice; before 9/11, and before the 2002 stock market decline. Unreliable reports? His reports are come from very reliable sources most of the time and they are very logical if your realm of knowledge includes Peak Oil. If you think a massive military response to Peak Oil is a wild leap of illogic then your mistaken. If you think planning an event which would lead a country into massive resource war's. I have doen a lot of research on this topic alone from Rupperts work and I have come to the conclusion that Ruppert is pretty precise in his claims, predictions and purpose.
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i haven't read the book but it's on my list to do so. though the fact that rupert was once in a insane asylum only makes me think it's just the rambleings of a person who is not running on all cylinders.
As I heard it he was requested to go into a insane asylum, but was released after a day in 'sane condition'. It only takes 3 people to claim someone is crazy and then they have to get checked out. As far as him not running on all cylinders I would have to disagree. I have read the book, as well as the sources he gives when he makes his claims. It is very well documented, and you should view his evidence before claiming it as 'rambleings'. Read the book, if you fail to believe what he says then read the evidence, if you fail to believe the evidence then find out for yourself and do your own research as to the claims that he makes. If you understand Peak Oil and the problems America is facing, and how little we can do about it, then you will understand the motives to the claims makes and it should make sense to you.
This piece is written by one of my favourite bloggers. I introduced him to PO, but he doesn't buy it. Hence maybe his attack on Ruppert (who is advising to buy gold/silver). Nonetheless, he makes some valid points.
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It also makes Mike Ruppert look like something other than what he tells us he is. Some have even gone so far as to accuse Ruppert of sabotaging the 9/11 movement from within, a sort of post-COINTELPRO operation initiated by the government. I have no evidence of this. However, if the dog and pony show at Kane Hall is any indication, it would seem, more than anything, Mike Ruppert is a shameless huckster, more interested in selling books and forging a career than getting to the bottom on what really happened on September 11, 2001.
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Massive protest from We The People, encouraged by Ruppert, got them to change their minds. Of course, they are still not printing in the quantities that you'd expect from a best-selling book--and make themselves much money, the be all and end all of any publisher's goals! This leads one to the reasonable conclusion that SOMEONE is putting pressure on the printers. Meantime, the books are still being ordered (there may be some still on backorder from when there weren't any). People WANT THIS BOOK.
