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OilIsMastery
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 Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| Grifter wrote: | | We never go to war for humanitarian reasons, we as humans I mean. |
I guess the United States sent troops to Haiti in order to enslave their people and exploit their natural resources...
| Quote: | | Do you really think that the fact that Saddam was a nasty bastard had anything to do with the war? |
Absolutely. If Saddam Hussein wasn't a "nasty bastard" he would've complied with the United Nations resolutions and war would've been avoided. He didn't compy with any of them.
| Quote: | | Does oil have absolutely nothing to do with it? |
Zero imo. Iraq can only produce 3 million barrels a day. The United States consumes 30 million barrels a day. If the United States wanted oil it would be far cheaper to invade Canada or Mexico which have far larger oil reserves.
| Quote: | | I mean I'd forgive you for suggesting that Iraq's oil reserves were his wmd. |
Not only did Saddam Hussein use Iraqi oil reserves as WMD he also used Kuwaiti oil as WMD. Perhaps you recall the worst environmental disaster in world history? Thanks again Saddam Hussein.
| Quote: | Galloway has been on the record for years as AGAINST the Iraq regime as was. That is whilst our governments were friendly with him.
He was against the war, not pro the regime. Surely you can tell the difference. |
I can't tell the difference. If you're not willing to back regime change with guns you might as well not even say it. Words are meaningless when it comes to regime change.
| Quote: | | Governments and terrorism go back centuries. I'm not really sure what terrorism means to be honest. I mean the US and the UK have both been guilty of it. I'm sure many others too, Saddam included. |
Terrorism is deliberately targeting civilians. The United States doesn't do that. Militant Muslims in Iraq do. That's why Muslims in Iraq have killed a hundred times as many Iraqi civilians as the United States military. Maybe now you can take the time to look up the definition of terrorism.
| Quote: | | heard of abu graib ? |
Yes that's where Saddam Hussein had his rape rooms, used power drills on the genitalia of his victims, and slowly lowered people into baths of acid.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/02/uk_human_rights_dossier_on_iraq/pdf/iraq_human_rights.pdf
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untothislast
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| OilIsMastery wrote: | | Terrorism is deliberately targeting civilians. The United States doesn't do that. |
Hisoshima/Nagasaki/My Lai . . . you are serially self-delusional, suspiciously under-educated - and possibly in need of professional help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:My_Lai_massacre.jpg |
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OilIsMastery
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OilIsMastery
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| untothislast wrote: | | OilIsMastery wrote: | | Terrorism is deliberately targeting civilians. The United States doesn't do that. |
Hisoshima/Nagasaki/My Lai . . . you are serially self-delusional, suspiciously under-educated - and possibly in need of professional help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:My_Lai_massacre.jpg |
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets and the last time I checked it's the United States government that tried William Calley for murder and sentenced him to prison. Borrow a clue.
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Gerontion
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:48 am Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| OilIsMastery wrote: | | Terrorism is deliberately targeting civilians. The United States doesn't do that. |
The US-UK sponsored Iraqi sanctions resulted in the deaths of between 300,000 and 500,000 children. This was a medieval siege. The deaths didn't happen by accident and those in power were not unaware of them; when asked about this holocaust being visited on the Iraqis, Madeline Albright famously said, "it's a price worth paying." Nice.
Or how about the carpet bombing of South East Asia? Millions died in this. Where they military targets? Do me a favour.
And the fact that the US government largely sub-contracts its murder and rape to death squads operating at arm's length hardly absolves it from guilt. |
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OilIsMastery
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OilIsMastery
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| Gerontion wrote: | | OilIsMastery wrote: | | Terrorism is deliberately targeting civilians. The United States doesn't do that. |
The US-UK sponsored Iraqi sanctions resulted in the deaths of between 300,000 and 500,000 children. |
Thank God George W. Bush ended the sanctions and saved the lives of over 1 million Iraqi children from the cruelty of Saddam Hussein.
| Quote: | | This was a medieval siege. The deaths didn't happen by accident and those in power were not unaware of them; when asked about this holocaust being visited on the Iraqis, Madeline Albright famously said, "it's a price worth paying." Nice. |
Thank you Saddam Hussein. Also the Butcher of Belgrade Madeleine Albright is subhuman sewage.
| Quote: | | Or how about the carpet bombing of South East Asia? Millions died in this. Where they military targets? Do me a favour. |
I guess all those Vietcong and Khmer Rouge with Soviet Kalashnikov's were "peaceful civilians."
| Quote: | | And the fact that the US government largely sub-contracts its murder and rape to death squads operating at arm's length hardly absolves it from guilt. |
You'll have to be more specific. If you mean Bill Clinton and the Democrat Party I think I know what you're talking about.
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Gerontion
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:09 am Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| Am I having a conversation with some kind of neo-con wankbot which is just throwing out automated responses? Certainly looks that way. |
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TheDude
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| untothislast wrote: | | OilIsMastery wrote: | | Terrorism is deliberately targeting civilians. The United States doesn't do that. |
Hisoshima/Nagasaki/My Lai . . . you are serially self-delusional, suspiciously under-educated - and possibly in need of professional help. |
Checking my Magic 8-Ball, and the verdict is more like:
You need to check your facts, too. Or work on your typing.
| Quote: | | The United States consumes 30 million barrels a day. |
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Alcassin
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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Yup he's neo-con and he believes in abiogenic oil 
He tries the most naive persuasion I have ever seen...
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Grifter
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| OilIsMastery wrote: | | Grifter wrote: | | We never go to war for humanitarian reasons, we as humans I mean. |
I guess the United States sent troops to Haiti in order to enslave their people and exploit their natural resources... |
strawman :sigh:
So you believe that it was to help the people of haiti? Not to ensure that a state close to the US didn't become an unfriendly regime. I accept that the result was probably favourable to haitians, but that is still not the reason for the intervention. Otherwise the US would intervene all over the world. If Haiti was in the middle of africa, say next to Rwanda then the US would have done nothing as there would be no percieved threat to US interests.
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| Quote: | | Do you really think that the fact that Saddam was a nasty bastard had anything to do with the war? |
Absolutely. If Saddam Hussein wasn't a "nasty bastard" he would've complied with the United Nations resolutions and war would've been avoided. He didn't compy with any of them.
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Like Israel does? They were in breach of more UN sanctions than Iraq at the time of the invasion.
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| Quote: | | Does oil have absolutely nothing to do with it? |
Zero imo. Iraq can only produce 3 million barrels a day. The United States consumes 30 million barrels a day. If the United States wanted oil it would be far cheaper to invade Canada or Mexico which have far larger oil reserves. |
Are you serious? I don't know what to say. The US considers ME oil as a vital interest and will use their military to defend its access.
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| Quote: | | I mean I'd forgive you for suggesting that Iraq's oil reserves were his wmd. |
Not only did Saddam Hussein use Iraqi oil reserves as WMD he also used Kuwaiti oil as WMD. Perhaps you recall the worst environmental disaster in world history? Thanks again Saddam Hussein. |
Yes, Saddam was a bastard I already conceded that. He was also not very bright. Invading Kuwait was a stupid thing to do above all else.
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| Quote: | Galloway has been on the record for years as AGAINST the Iraq regime as was. That is whilst our governments were friendly with him.
He was against the war, not pro the regime. Surely you can tell the difference. |
I can't tell the difference. If you're not willing to back regime change with guns you might as well not even say it. Words are meaningless when it comes to regime change. |
If you can't tell the difference between being against our support for a barbaric regime and then also being against the invasion causing untold missery then I guess I will just have to accept that you have a different and unusual view of the situation.
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| Quote: | | Governments and terrorism go back centuries. I'm not really sure what terrorism means to be honest. I mean the US and the UK have both been guilty of it. I'm sure many others too, Saddam included. |
Terrorism is deliberately targeting civilians. The United States doesn't do that. Militant Muslims in Iraq do. That's why Muslims in Iraq have killed a hundred times as many Iraqi civilians as the United States military. Maybe now you can take the time to look up the definition of terrorism. |
Nicaragua (US) and Lebanon (UK) killed civilians.
During shock and awe whole buildings were destryoed where people were working, to earn a living, to feed their families. Wedding parties in Afghanistan.
It was Eli who told me something about moral dualism. It is not right for us to do it to them just as much as it is not right for them to do it to us. I also doubt your assertian about insurgents/terrorists, whatever they are killing more than the occupying forces, but I'm not going to look it because war is war, doesn't matter to me who kills more, ordinary people do not win.
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| Quote: | | heard of abu graib ? |
Yes that's where Saddam Hussein had his rape rooms, used power drills on the genitalia of his victims, and slowly lowered people into baths of acid. |
Yeah he was a bastard, we are pretty nasty bastards ourselves.
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untothislast
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| TheDude wrote: |
Checking my Magic 8-Ball, and the verdict is more like:
You need to check your facts, too. Or work on your typing.
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You must just slay them down at The Algonquin . . . |
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eXpat
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| Gerontion wrote: | | Am I having a conversation with some kind of neo-con wankbot which is just throwing out automated responses? Certainly looks that way. |
Yes, you are, I bet he considers Fox news to be a left-wing mouthpiece of the International Communist Conspiracy  straight from planet Neocon, in pasticular in the continent Joe McCarthy and educated in the University Leo Strauss...
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OilIsMastery
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| TheDude wrote: | | untothislast wrote: | | OilIsMastery wrote: | | Terrorism is deliberately targeting civilians. The United States doesn't do that. |
Hisoshima/Nagasaki/My Lai . . . you are serially self-delusional, suspiciously under-educated - and possibly in need of professional help. |
Checking my Magic 8-Ball, and the verdict is more like:
You need to check your facts, too. Or work on your typing.
| Quote: | | The United States consumes 30 million barrels a day. |
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OilIsMastery
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: George Galloway on Peak Oil [The Real Deal] |
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| Grifter wrote: | | OilIsMastery wrote: | | Grifter wrote: | | We never go to war for humanitarian reasons, we as humans I mean. |
I guess the United States sent troops to Haiti in order to enslave their people and exploit their natural resources... |
strawman :sigh:
So you believe that it was to help the people of haiti? Not to ensure that a state close to the US didn't become an unfriendly regime. I accept that the result was probably favourable to haitians, but that is still not the reason for the intervention. Otherwise the US would intervene all over the world. If Haiti was in the middle of africa, say next to Rwanda then the US would have done nothing as there would be no percieved threat to US interests. |
I guess the United States sent troops to Liberia and Somalia in order to enslave their people and exploit their natural resources...
| Quote: | | Like Israel does? They were in breach of more UN sanctions than Iraq at the time of the invasion. |
That's because the United Nations has been taken over by antisemitic Nazis. In case you haven't noticed, the world is evil.
| Quote: | | being against the invasion causing untold missery then I guess I will just have to accept that you have a different and unusual view of the situation. |
The war in Iraq ended the economic sanctions thereby ending the misery caused by Saddam Hussein. The misery today in Iraq is caused by Muslim terrorists.
| Quote: | | Nicaragua (US) and Lebanon (UK) killed civilians. |
Oh I see. So anything Nicaragua does that's bad it's the US's fault...lol:
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