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lateStarter
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 Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject: Norway vs Russia |
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This is so bizzare! It would be hard to even make stories like this up. Who would believe you? My emphasis in BOLD.
| Quote: | Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg will make a four-day visit to Russia later this week, and Norwegian concerns about Russia's nuclear waste storage facilities and routines are on the agenda, reports reaching here said on Monday.
Since the Russians will not give a copy of their waste storage map to the Norwegians who helped finance it, Norway felt obliged to buy satellite photos of the Andreeva Bay off the Kola Peninsula, Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) reported.
Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere said he will also bring up the nuclear concerns when he meets his Russian counterpart a few days later.
Norway's relations with Russia have turned tense in recent months, with conflicts arising over everything from Norwegian salmon exports and fishing rights in the Barents to offshore oil projects, concerns over human rights and press freedom, according to NRK.
A Norwegian defense department official was even prevented from entering Russia a few months ago, and new worries flared last week over allegedly unsafe storage of nuclear waste just 50 kilometers from the Norwegian border.
Norway had given Russia 6 million Norwegian kronor (about 1 million U.S. dollars) to map the waste storage area in the Andreeva Bay, which Russia accepted, only to later refuse to share the map with Norway, NRK reported. |
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lateStarter
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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And just to add to the insanity, we have this:
| Quote: | MOSCOW, June 5 (RIA Novosti) - Gazprom Neft [RTS: SIBN], a subsidiary of Russian energy giant Gazprom [RTS: GAZP], and Norway's Statoil will team up in oil prospecting and output in Russia and abroad, Gazprom said Tuesday.
Gazprom Neft and Statoil signed a corresponding agreement on June 5. A task force set up by both companies will study the possibility of implementing joint oil prospecting and production projects in Russia and abroad, Gazprom said in a statement... |
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Fishman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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| Russia seems to be getting very nasty to lots of folks. Do I smell a NATO revival? And eastern Europe, after living under the Soviet Union for four decades, is NOT keen on the idea of coming back under their control. More resource wars ahead? |
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lateStarter
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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| Fishman wrote: | | Russia seems to be getting very nasty to lots of folks. Do I smell a NATO revival? And eastern Europe, after living under the Soviet Union for four decades, is NOT keen on the idea of coming back under their control. More resource wars ahead? |
But, we need what they got! Of course, the noveau rich in Russia will want to continue to be able to buy BMW's and Benz's and I guess they need a steady, reliable customer nearby (addict). This really sucks! Looks like another Hollywood love/hate relationshsip.
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gg3
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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Add to that Bush's "bear-baiting" with a) the missile shield, and b) lecturing Putin about imperfect democracy (ironic, that!).
We have got to have constructive relations with Russia for pragmatic reasons; bear-baiting is the height of stupidity. And it causes repercussions into these other issues, such that it becomes difficult to determine how much of Russia's current stance would have occurred otherwise, and how much is in reaction to Bush.
That is, it's hard to tell if Russia's becoming "more aggressive" when we've been giving them every reason to act that way.
Reagan must be spinning in his grave over this. |
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Fishman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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| How is a defensive shield bear baiting? It should only make Russia angry if they already have plans to move back into eastern Europe. |
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Plantagenet
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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First Russia made threats to cut off gas to Europe.
Now they are threatening to aim their nukes at Europe.
Putin seems to think he's the new Stalin.
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lateStarter
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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| Plantagenet wrote: | First Russia made threats to cut off gas to Europe.
Now they are threatening to aim their nukes at Europe.
Putin seems to think he's the new Stalin. |
I don't think Putin is anything like Stalin. Stalin was an iron fist. Putin is an iron fist in a velvet glove. He is much more
'corporate' minded. It will be very interesting to see what role he assumes after he gives up the reigns. LOL...
I don't picture him 'retiring' to a quiet life on the farm. However, it might be easier to exercise control with his hand picked puppet in place and at the same time exploit the situation for personal gain in a way that he couldn't do while in office.
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kaktus
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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| Quote: | | Norway had given Russia 6 million Norwegian kronor (about 1 million U.S. dollars) to map the waste storage area in the Andreeva Bay, which Russia accepted, only to later refuse to share the map with Norway, NRK reported. |
You mean thats proof of the international strategy of Russia? It sounds more to me like someone just got himself a new datcha. |
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Ferretlover
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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| lateStarter wrote: | | However, it might be easier to exercise control with his hand picked puppet in place and at the same time exploit the situation for personal gain in a way that he couldn't do while in office. |
HHmmm... Why does this scenario sound so familiar?... |
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Pretorian
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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| kaktus wrote: | | Quote: | | Norway had given Russia 6 million Norwegian kronor (about 1 million U.S. dollars) to map the waste storage area in the Andreeva Bay, which Russia accepted, only to later refuse to share the map with Norway, NRK reported. |
You mean thats proof of the international strategy of Russia? It sounds more to me like someone just got himself a new datcha. |
funny isnt it. A million bucks is a small studio in a nice location of Moscow. |
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halcyon
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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Why is either of the stories bizarre?
Please explain your position.
I for one am not a mind reader. Definitely not at this distance  |
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lateStarter
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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| halcyon wrote: | Why is either of the stories bizarre?
Please explain your position.
I for one am not a mind reader. Definitely not at this distance |
Sorry. I guess it is just bizarre for me. I realize it is quite normal in in the world today, the way things work.
Let's assume I paid you $5000 dollars to paint a landscape picture for me. You painted the picture for me but then refused to deliver the product. Unfortunately for me, you are much bigger than I am and would likely kick my ass if I directly confronted you.
Two weeks later however, (even though I am still pissed at you) you announce that 'we' are doing a joint development project and that you will be 'cooperating' with my wife on the project. My wife is very happy! Strange bedfellows...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Norway vs Russia |
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| lateStarter wrote: | | Fishman wrote: | | Russia seems to be getting very nasty to lots of folks. Do I smell a NATO revival? And eastern Europe, after living under the Soviet Union for four decades, is NOT keen on the idea of coming back under their control. More resource wars ahead? |
But, we need what they got! Of course, the noveau rich in Russia will want to continue to be able to buy BMW's and Benz's and I guess they need a steady, reliable customer nearby (addict). This really sucks! Looks like another Hollywood love/hate relationshsip. |
If they have what you need, I think you should be nice to them!. This always strikes me as rather bizzare, you want them to continue providing you with what they need, but you still want to be free to detest them. Maybe a simplistic way of looking at it, but is what I think.
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