Joined: Jun 07, 2006 Posts: 47 Location: Chicago area
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: THE North American Union/SPP Thread (merged)
I did a quick forum search and I was surprised not to see a thread already devoted to this. We listen to the Financial Sense Newshour pretty regularly and Mr. Puplava mentions the Amero occasionally, but this past weekend he went into greater depth covering the SPP, Security and Prosperity Partnership, basically a supergovernmental entity which is quietly being planned for implementation around 2010 encompassing the US, Canada, and Mexico - like the European Union. The relevant segment runs between 47:00-1:06:30 of Saturday's "Big Picture," worth listening to:
Realplayer Windows media mp3
Especially interesting is how the labeling of "agreement" rather than "treaty" effectively allows the SPP to bypass Congress... The segment piqued my interest so I did a little digging on the internet this evening. Came up with the following links, first the gov websites [I parsed out the energy information to ensure this thread isn't banished to "Open Discussion"]:
[edited] Building on existing commitments, we agree that priority initiatives warrant special attention in the coming year:
Strengthening Competitiveness in North America: We are pleased to announce the creation of a North American Competitiveness Council (NACC). The Council will comprise members of the private sector from each country and will provide us recommendations on North American competitiveness, including, among others, areas such as automotive and transportation, steel, manufacturing, and services. The Council will meet annually with security and prosperity Ministers and will engage with senior government officials on an ongoing basis.
We are convinced that regulatory cooperation advances the productivity and competitiveness of our nations and helps to protect our health, safety and environment. For instance, cooperation on food safety will help protect the public while at the same time facilitate the flow of goods. We affirm our commitment to strengthen regulatory cooperation in this and other key sectors and to have our central regulatory agencies complete a trilateral regulatory cooperation framework by 2007.
North American Emergency Management: A disaster - whether natural or man-made - in one of our countries can have consequences across national borders. Our vision for a North American response, relief and recovery strategy would ensure that critical equipment, supplies and personnel can be deployed expeditiously throughout North America. We commit to develop a common approach to critical infrastructure protection, coordinated responses to cross border incidents, and coordinated training and exercises, with the participation of all levels of government in our countries.
North American Energy Security: A sustainable, secure and affordable supply of energy is key to fueling the North American economy. Collaboration in the areas of innovation, energy efficiency, and technology development, including moving these technologies to market, promotes energy security. Our governments renew their commitment to trilateral cooperation on clean energy technologies, conservation, and market facilitation as a means to meeting our shared goals of energy security and sustainable development. Officials will also examine how this cooperation can be expanded to further our climate efforts.
US Embassy, Canada on SSP
Quote:
North American Energy Security Initiative. A secure and sustainable energy supply is essential for our economic prosperity in North America. To advance our energy agenda we have agreed to:
Enhance the development of a diverse energy resource base in North America by increasing collaboration on research, development and commercialization of clean energy-related technologies, and
Strengthen the North American energy market by improving transparency and regulatory compatibility, promoting the development of resources and infrastructure, increasing cooperation on energy efficiency standards, and supporting other efforts aimed at addressing challenges on the demand side.
SSP: Next Steps
And the non-gov articles...
Quote:
The SPP report to the heads of state of the U.S., Mexico and Canada, -- released June 27, 2005, -- lists some 20 different working groups spanning a wide variety of issues ranging from e-commerce, to aviation policy, to borders and immigration, involving the activity of multiple U.S. government agencies.
The working groups have produced a number of memorandums of understanding and trilateral declarations of agreement.
The Canadian government and the Mexican government each have SPP offices comparable to the U.S. office.
Geri Word, who heads the SPP office within the NAFTA office of the U.S. Department of Commerce affirmed to WND last Friday in a telephone interview that the membership of the working groups, as well as their work products, have not been published anywhere, including on the Internet.
Why the secrecy?
"We did not want to get the contact people of the working groups distracted by calls from the public," said Word.
She suggested to WND that the work products of the working groups was described on the SPP website, so publishing the actual documents did not seem required.
WND can find no specific congressional legislation authorizing the SPP working groups. The closest to enabling legislation was introduced in the Senate by Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., on April 20, 2005. Listed as S. 853, the bill was titled "North American Cooperative Security Act: A bill to direct the Secretary of State to establish a program to bolster the mutual security and safety of the United States, Canada, and Mexico, and for other purposes." The bill never emerged from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
In the House of Representatives, the same bill was introduced by Rep. Katherine Harris, R-Fla., on May 26, 2005. Again, the bill languished in the House Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment.
Of course this just barely scratches the surface; I'm hoping some of you have pertinent contributions to make. What's nagging me is the recent Mexican election, perhaps it is crucial that Felipe Calderon be elected for SPP to move forward? _________________ "When men have come to the edge of a precipice, it is the lover of life
who has the spirit to leap backwards, and only the pessimist who continues to
believe in progress." - G. K. Chesterton
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Security and Prosperity Partnership, NAFTA on steroids
From "Thinking the Unthinkable"
"The meeting of the “Three Amigos” in Cancun last March (Bush, Fox, and Harper in his Empire-friendly military jacket) was simply more of the same. The media focused on the photo ops, while politely failing to mention the particulars of the meeting. The silence was in large part due to the fact that deep integration is proceeding with the ignorance of most elected representatives. According to Jerome R. Corsi in a report in WorldNetDaily.com, working groups in all three nations are busy turning the Security and Prosperity Partnership agreement into reality. Determining the names of the officials involved in the working groups has proved to be difficult."
CBC has been cowed into silence, on this issue, partly because their budgets have been so deeply cut, and they can no longer afford the muckraking it would take to deliver the goods. They also live in fear of further budget cuts, so tend to look the other way.
Canada is becoming a country who's state media produces excellent documentaries on the inner machinations of other countries--generally third world, or developing nations. It can no longer produce genuine critique of what is going on within it's own borders, and when it does, it dare not provide the right contextual background.
Btw, the author of the article, Geoff Olson, is my brother.
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: North American Union
So a few days ago, i read somewhere that Canada, Mexico, and The U.S. could unionize calling themselves the great North American Union and their currency would entitled the Omnipotent Ameru. With willing suspention of disbelief, imagine this happens in 2008. How would the future differ than?
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: North American Union
I'd move to Canada, and Mexicans would continue to move to the US....
Our boarder would then be secure because Mexicans know how to stop it illegal immigration... Mostly because it comes off as racism when Whites try to keep out browny from south of the boarder.
Hell, I'd even take the sails out of the Mexicans in the Southwest who want to cut part of the US to form a seperate country ( in 50 years that's our palestine or Kosovo )
I think it's a win win win situation. I'm all for the Union of Mexico, Canada and the US... So long as I can keep my guns.
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: North American Union
I've read the currency would be called the "Amero" with an "o", but it really doesn't matter. What such a plan would generate would be lots of improvised explosives here (America), and not just the kind that blow up in the street. _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Joined: Aug 19, 2004 Posts: 1719 Location: Republic of Texas
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: North American Union
The further removed policy makers can be from the electorate, the more unaccountable and thus powerful they can be.
"New World Order" is not tin-foil-hat stuff. There really does exist a behind-the-scenes loosely organized body of influential people who know what is best for the proletariat and work to consolidate power and control us "for our own good".
The North American Union is just one sub-set of that loose organization. _________________ Conform . Consume . Obey .
Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: Re: North American Union
The people who have been involved in the planning stages of this "North American Union" are military leaders, government officials and top corporate executives, especially from the energy and financial sectors, of the USA, Canada and Mexico. The intention of such a union, as far as they are concerned, is to ensure continuity of prosperity and security for the elite in the three nations. The meetings that have been held focused on militarization, national security, immigration and, what could possibly be the most important goal, control over North America's energy reserves.
The average Canadian would probably not see a lot of good coming from such a union, as water and natural gas and other natural resources would not be Canada's alone. Some of the Canadian participants of these meetings, however, are of the belief that by integrating more into the U.S. they will somehow guarantee prosperity, creating a continental union that will be better able to compete with the other major economies of the world.
Personally, I think Canada will just be sold out from under its citizens if this takes place.
Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:41 am Post subject: Re: North American Union
Canadian's don't want to join, but there are a group of monied people who wish to keep what they have and grow even fatter. Mostly conservative types but a few financially secure Liberals are in the mix.
Personally, if it was required to become the collateral for US debt, I would prefer just taking America over and instituting Canadian ways of doing things. But why would I really want that kind of grief.
There will be no benefit to either Mexico or Canada in this kind of deal. Just a few power brokers getting even fatter.
armegeddon wrote:
I know this plan is in the works, but why would canada want to do this ? I can see why mexico would.
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To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:00 am Post subject: Re: North American Union
Then there is peak oil and global warming.
Just as the New World Order is setting the final brick in to place on their anal retentive pyramid or power. The foundation will slip and the whole thing will crater like the world trade center.
Their dream (our nightmare) will never be fully realized. Forces are now set in motion that will derail the grandest plans of the greediest men in the most powerful of boardrooms.
They will retreat behind walls, and lead miserable lives always fearful of their safety. Some of the Mexicans they brought in will kidnap their families and hold them for ransom, just as they do in Mexico and throughout Latin America.
The rich people in Latin America are rich, but they're always looking over their shoulders. Never able to fully enjoy their riches. That's why so many of them move here or send their families to Miami.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: Re: North American Union
the_sword wrote:
I'd move to Canada, and Mexicans would continue to move to the US....
Our boarder would then be secure because Mexicans know how to stop it illegal immigration... Mostly because it comes off as racism when Whites try to keep out browny from south of the boarder.
Hell, I'd even take the sails out of the Mexicans in the Southwest who want to cut part of the US to form a seperate country ( in 50 years that's our palestine or Kosovo )
I think it's a win win win situation. I'm all for the Union of Mexico, Canada and the US... So long as I can keep my guns.
You're probably some half caste monkey dago jew pretending at being full blooded aryan third reich material. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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