Shoppers' thirst for palm oil threatens to wipe out orangut

pstarr

Holmes, here is some cheap solace for you: the orangatang does not know it's species is going extinct. They suffer more from leopards, disease, accidents or low birth rates. The don't know their territory and nesting trees disappear. Rather, the young adults don't find new reproductive territories---and die childless. Sad for us but for them?
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Ludi

I'm sure they are as aware when their territories are cut down as we would be if our homes were destroyed. These are very intelligent animals. They don't know they're going extinct, but they certainly know when their favorite trees and foraging sites are destroyed.

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holmes · Fission Joined: Oct 12, 2004 Posts: 2427

Pstarr, Thats probably the only solice I have. The buety, diversity and colors are what keep us sane. The aesthetic qualities provided to us. The babies in these orphan camps are traumatized and have the symptoms that human babies have when their parents are murdered before their eyes and their homes raized to the ground.
But they do not know they are going to be extinct very shortly. We will then open up more room for more of these little wonderful tykes
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Zardoz

How many people would have to change their way of life for any real change to be made in the way we're treating this planet?

Think of the numbers. Think what it would take to get the message through to all who would have to change. Even then, how could we expect them to change? We rich, well-dressed, well-fed, well-entertained elitist westerners sit here in air-conditioned comfort, bemoaning the state of the world to each other as we clatter away on our keyboards, each of us using computers powerful enough to launch satellites.

Meanwhile, billions all over the world get up each morning with one thing on their minds - surviving until tomorrow so they can get up and do it again.

There are just too many of us now to turn this around. Even if we haven't reached the critical tipping point just yet, and many think we already have, our chances of effecting enough change to stop the damage are effectively zero. How could we re-shape enough minds to make a difference?

We'll pay for this. We'll get what we deserve. If Lovelock's "Gaia" theory is correct, and the biosphere of this planet has evolved over hundreds of millions of years into a what amounts to a self-regulating single organism that continually makes the adjustments it needs to make to sustain life, then the climate anomalies we're starting to see worldwide are just the earliest signs that Gaia's immune system is starting to kick in.

We've been identified as an infection, and Gaia is going to send her antibodies after us. If she decides she can't live with any of us, she'll do what she has to do to rid herself of us, or at least reduce our numbers to such a pitiful few that we're no longer capable of hurting her.
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holmes · Fission Joined: Oct 12, 2004 Posts: 2427

Thats true Zardoz. But I refuse to self loath and be cannibalized. And I also do not own a computer or TV. Rent a small apt and use zero heat. Only the stove. Only a b3000 mazda pickup which I only use on weekends. We built this America so we did not have to live in a overpopulated hell hole. The vermin in this country seem to want to make it a overpopualted cess pool If you want to live sane then it must be defended and power down must occur. The old Injun warriors like Red Cloud and Crazy Horse knew this. The pukes in our US nation know nothing of their history or what it takes to stop rape and slavery.
I will never self loath. and I will never take the position of weakness. The masses in the other parts of the world need to stand up to their dictators.
I also will never thing in a specious Neo liberal way. Its pathetic. The old Injuns knew capitalism, sovereighnty and conservation were incompatiable. They just knew by natural earth instincts.
I despise this mulitcultural self loathing neo liberal mental illness. It is and will kill off the last continent, America.