Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
Human beings are tribal creatures. We depend on harmonious social interaction for our survival.
A violent psychopath will be a threat, and the people of my town who choose social interaction as a means of survival will shoot first, hows that for a knee-jerk reaction?
Do you really think a community of peace loving farmers will tolerate it?
Do you think that someone who spends 14-15 hours a day working the soil, hunting, trapping, and building a community is a wimp?
Fill a small town with like-minded folks who are scraping by on subsistence farming and I doubt you will find much amnesty if you break their taboos.
Joined: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 1850 Location: East of Eden
Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
PolestaR wrote:
Apart from how others perceive a murderer, rapist, child molestor, etc. How does that actually make them worse people?
Why don't you answer the question I asked? Is it because your mind will be "blown" even thinking about it?
No, Polestar: believe it or not, you don't blow my mind. I doubt anyone else's, either. And despite your erroneous judgement of my intelligence level, I'm smart enough to not enable you further by getting sucked into your kind of debate. If you don't understand the difference between willful aggression and self defense, or how aggression (let alone rape or child molestation) degrades life for the victim, the aggressor and society at large, then you need help. And I'm not qualified to give it to you. Seriously. Go talk to someone.
Peace. _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
coyote wrote:
PolestaR wrote:
Apart from how others perceive a murderer, rapist, child molestor, etc. How does that actually make them worse people?
Why don't you answer the question I asked? Is it because your mind will be "blown" even thinking about it?
No, Polestar: believe it or not, you don't blow my mind. I doubt anyone else's, either. And despite your erroneous judgement of my intelligence level, I'm smart enough to not enable you further by getting sucked into your kind of debate. If you don't understand the difference between willful aggression and self defense, or how aggression (let alone rape or child molestation) degrades life for the victim, the aggressor and society at large, then you need help. And I'm not qualified to give it to you. Seriously. Go talk to someone.
Peace.
I doubt my judgement was erroneous. You are totally off base on what I was saying which shows a lack of reading comprehension.
Of course what a murderer, child rapist, etc does will affect people other than himself. I was simply saying, apart from how others perceive this person, how are *THEY* (the rapist, murderer) any worse for it? The answer is they aren't, something which has obviously blown your mind. Some people who commit these crimes will be affected by their actions due to their social programming, obviously, so it isn't something everyone can do without being affected. You however are in denial. Klunk. _________________ Bringing sexy back..... to doom
Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
Wednesday wrote:
Human beings are tribal creatures. We depend on harmonious social interaction for our survival.
Of course there are exceptions to almost every rule. Social interaction is not needed for survival.
Wednesday wrote:
A violent psychopath will be a threat, and the people of my town who choose social interaction as a means of survival will shoot first, hows that for a knee-jerk reaction?
Do you really think a community of peace loving farmers will tolerate it?
Do you think that someone who spends 14-15 hours a day working the soil, hunting, trapping, and building a community is a wimp?
Fill a small town with like-minded folks who are scraping by on subsistence farming and I doubt you will find much amnesty if you break their taboos.
What you don't understand is that just because you can mass murder people for their resources that you can't also lead an otherwise normal life, like farming. Throughout our history our leaders have gone around murdering other people for our own benefit. But as soon as it's not exactly a king or president making the executive decision you frown upon it. Obviously a "normal individual" can't make these sorts of decisions. Oh noz. I better get back to my social programming class, I'm late again. _________________ Bringing sexy back..... to doom
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
PolestaR wrote:
[Of course there are exceptions to almost every rule. Social interaction is not needed for survival.
Show me one single human being who has survived entirely on their own.
Sorry, such a thing doesn't exist and never has. Even the most hermitlike "mountain man" has had to trade with other humans to survive. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
Ludi wrote:
"based on a true story"
*snerk*
I meant, of course, "survived their entire life entirely on their own" not "survived for a short while entirely on their own" but yeah, whatever....
Hey, if that's the way you want to live, go for it!
I shake my head at you.
Entire life hey, so what, after coming out of the vagina your mother leaves you to fend for yourself. You manage to hook onto the nipples of a passing wolf as it luckily forgets you aren't food but it's baby. Then you proceed to live the life of an animal in a jungle, fending for yourself with your only social interaction being animals.
Hmm... have you been watching too many movies recently?
Joined: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 1850 Location: East of Eden
Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
PolestaR wrote:
coyote wrote:
PolestaR wrote:
Apart from how others perceive a murderer, rapist, child molestor, etc. How does that actually make them worse people?
Why don't you answer the question I asked? Is it because your mind will be "blown" even thinking about it?
No, Polestar: believe it or not, you don't blow my mind. I doubt anyone else's, either. And despite your erroneous judgement of my intelligence level, I'm smart enough to not enable you further by getting sucked into your kind of debate. If you don't understand the difference between willful aggression and self defense, or how aggression (let alone rape or child molestation) degrades life for the victim, the aggressor and society at large, then you need help. And I'm not qualified to give it to you. Seriously. Go talk to someone.
Peace.
I doubt my judgement was erroneous. You are totally off base on what I was saying which shows a lack of reading comprehension.
That's kind of funny coming from you. I don't think you bothered to actually read my response; or perhaps it is you who lacks (reading) comprehension.
PolestaR wrote:
Of course what a murderer, child rapist, etc does will affect people other than himself. I was simply saying, apart from how others perceive this person, how are *THEY* (the rapist, murderer) any worse for it? The answer is they aren't, something which has obviously blown your mind. Some people who commit these crimes will be affected by their actions due to their social programming, obviously, so it isn't something everyone can do without being affected. You however are in denial. Klunk.
Also amusing coming from you. If you are not actually a sociopath, as you mused before, then you are simply posting for shock value. That's useless and also pretty irritating. You'll have to do better than posing ethically ridiculous questions about child molestors to blow anyone's mind.
I think I'll try out this ignore button... _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
PolestaR wrote:
Of course what a murderer, child rapist, etc does will affect people other than himself. I was simply saying, apart from how others perceive this person, how are *THEY* (the rapist, murderer) any worse for it?
Quote:
Do you really think a community of peace loving farmers will tolerate it?....
Fill a small town with like-minded folks who are scraping by on subsistence farming and I doubt you will find much amnesty if you break their taboos.
So you walk into some small, close-knit community and molest and kill a kid. You think people are just going to go about their daily lives like nothing happened? That they won't be searching for you high and low? Won't be spreading the word about the dangerous guy on the loose? Won't kill you on sight when they find you?
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
Just drive through Armenia today and run over a child in your car ..... if you stop you are dead meat.
Even today some communities look after their own.
In crisis situations "lone marauders" - or small gangs - will have no long term future ... although they might cause mayhem for some weeks.
Also, I suspect that communities post-disaster would - err - "deal with" any current or new members that they suspected harbour evil thoughts.
A good test is: "Would I let this person baby-sit my kids?" If the answer is no, then perhaps that person should be given a one way ticket. The destination is up to the community ...
Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
keladry wrote:
PolestaR wrote:
Of course what a murderer, child rapist, etc does will affect people other than himself. I was simply saying, apart from how others perceive this person, how are *THEY* (the rapist, murderer) any worse for it?
Quote:
Do you really think a community of peace loving farmers will tolerate it?....
Fill a small town with like-minded folks who are scraping by on subsistence farming and I doubt you will find much amnesty if you break their taboos.
So you walk into some small, close-knit community and molest and kill a kid. You think people are just going to go about their daily lives like nothing happened? That they won't be searching for you high and low? Won't be spreading the word about the dangerous guy on the loose? Won't kill you on sight when they find you?
I cannot disagree with what you said. If you wrong people they usually seek revenge. Not sure your point though, unless you like the obvious. _________________ Bringing sexy back..... to doom
Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
SoothSayer wrote:
In crisis situations "lone marauders" - or small gangs - will have no long term future ... although they might cause mayhem for some weeks.
You're kidding right? Do you know how easy it would be to sit 100 yards off a community and pick them off with a sniper? Sure you could tell me there will be regular patrols, watchmen, etc, etc, but the commando group has a serious advantage in attacking. You can easily outlast a small to midsize community which will never know when you are going to attack. Take all their crops, poison their animals, lots of ways to disband the community which require very little work.
SoothSayer wrote:
Also, I suspect that communities post-disaster would - err - "deal with" any current or new members that they suspected harbour evil thoughts.
Evil thoughts being what the social collective agrees on being "evil". Not being a child molestor could be called evil in one community.
SoothSayer wrote:
A good test is: "Would I let this person baby-sit my kids?" If the answer is no, then perhaps that person should be given a one way ticket. The destination is up to the community ...
As with anything common values are typically held in high regard in any community... but your point deludes me as it is very obvious. _________________ Bringing sexy back..... to doom
Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising
This thread is so stupid and juvenile that I'm showing equal stupidity by just replying here. Dont know what's getting into me. The kind of fantasies you indulge in are not found in many places in the real world. Maybe some parts of Africa, but that's it. How old are you? 16? 17?
Here we go:
PolestaR wrote:
So wait... if I have nothing.... and then go and attack someone for their resources.... I won't have MORE resources? Unless you are trying to be philosophical about attacking or defending you are wrong, completely.
If you have no resources, only life a healthy body, then you risk your health and life by attacking somebody. A blow to your head delivered in a fraction of a second could end your life, or cripple you with the same net result distributed over longer time. Those who seek cooperation instead of violence will have better chances. Always been like that.
Historically, people band together. If you got several nasty warlords, those who protect their peasants will have a better time than those who kill them. Look at european history the last 1000 years. Lots of wars, but eventually the marauders get spanked by the ones who plan. When you have several competing warlords, people end up supporting the ones who protects them. If you try to attack and damage a village, there is a fair chance that one of your competitors view it as an attack on his property, and act properly.
Swizerland is interesting. They have proud traditions of pure defence. They have been sitting in the middle of the most war-thorn part of the world the last 800 years, crippling everyone who tried to attack them (and happily profiting from selling weapons to all parties in the european wars).
Russia is also interesting. It seem to have a castrating effect to attack Russia. The Swedes tried in the 1600's, and the previously war mongering Swedes ended up castrated. Sweden has been extremely peace-loving ever since. Next were the French in the 1800's. They fussed about a little in Vietnam and Algeria, but they have remained mainly peaceful since having their go at Russia. Last we had the Germans, who got this major shift in mentality after trying their luck in Russia.
I dont think you are stupid. I think you just have a little bad luck when thinking.
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