Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Jun 21, 2004 Posts: 413 Location: Massachusetts
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject: Dictatorship
Either the 2004 elections have already been rigged, or the October surprise is going to be a complete neocon takeover.
Assuming John Kerry doesn't pick up Bush's work where it left off, there is NO way he could rationalize going to war against Iran and Sudan. Unless I suppose there was something like another 9/11 or something.
If the neocons are seriously thinking about invading those countries, there are going to HAVE to be re-elected. Furthermore, depending on how extensive they want their campaign to be, they would have to be in power considerably longer than that. Something is going seriously wrong here.
It amazes me the most, is the idiocy of the "axis of evil" states. I mean, they can't be so stupid as not to think the U.S. has its sights on them. Yet, they continue to openly and obviously provoke us, by continuing their nuclear weapons programs and threats. All they are doing is giving the Neocons the reasons they need to rationalize wiping those countries off the face of the earth.
Does anyone else interpret whats going on as the beginning of the end?
Joined: Jun 21, 2004 Posts: 413 Location: Massachusetts
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:36 pm Post subject:
New American Century should really be called New American Nazis.
Besides, isn't it suspicious that its called Century? Is that supposed to imply that there's only one century for America left? Knowing their arrogance and fixation on power, you'd think they'd call it New American Millenium, or New American Eternity.
Joined: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 490 Location: Amerika (most of the time)
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Dictatorship
Sencha wrote:
It amazes me the most, is the idiocy of the "axis of evil" states. I mean, they can't be so stupid as not to think the U.S. has its sights on them. Yet, they continue to openly and obviously provoke us, by continuing their nuclear weapons programs and threats. All they are doing is giving the Neocons the reasons they need to rationalize wiping those countries off the face of the earth.
Does anyone else interpret whats going on as the beginning of the end?
Sencha,
Think about Iran's situation for a second. The US invaded Iraq on very poor evidence of WMD and with absolutely no potential of threatening America. Therefore what would you do if you had a hostile invading army next door? You go gangbusters for a nuclear weapon in the hopes of some type of nuclear standoff to keep the US from invading your country as well. The mullahs are probably thinking that a nuke is the only thing that is stopping the US from going straight for Tehran (especially if Bush wins this election). It's almost like a dammned if you do, dammned if you don't situation. This is global poker played at unimaginably high stakes and if you think about it long enough, it will scare the hell out of you (and let's not even mention Israeli-Iranian relations). _________________ Simon's Law: Everything put together falls apart sooner or later.
I don't think of all the misery, but of all the beauty that still remains.--Anne Frank
Joined: Aug 10, 2004 Posts: 1104 Location: San Diego, CA, USA
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:16 pm Post subject:
Sencha wrote:
New American Century should really be called New American Nazis.
Besides, isn't it suspicious that its called Century? Is that supposed to imply that there's only one century for America left? Knowing their arrogance and fixation on power, you'd think they'd call it New American Millenium, or New American Eternity.
Maybe they should have called it the New American DECADE.
Joined: Sep 28, 2004 Posts: 216 Location: Hillsboro, West Virginia
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Dictatorship
Sencha wrote:
Either the 2004 elections have already been rigged, or the October surprise is going to be a complete neocon takeover.
Assuming John Kerry doesn't pick up Bush's work where it left off, there is NO way he could rationalize going to war against Iran and Sudan. Unless I suppose there was something like another 9/11 or something.
If the neocons are seriously thinking about invading those countries, there are going to HAVE to be re-elected. Furthermore, depending on how extensive they want their campaign to be, they would have to be in power considerably longer than that. Something is going seriously wrong here.
It amazes me the most, is the idiocy of the "axis of evil" states. I mean, they can't be so stupid as not to think the U.S. has its sights on them. Yet, they continue to openly and obviously provoke us, by continuing their nuclear weapons programs and threats. All they are doing is giving the Neocons the reasons they need to rationalize wiping those countries off the face of the earth.
Does anyone else interpret whats going on as the beginning of the end?
Has it not occurred to you that the reason we invaded Iraq first was that the US Government knew full well that it did not have nuclear weapons? Iraq had oil; it did not have nukes; it could not put up a big fight to defend its wealth. Accordingly, a bully (the US government) went over and took its wealth away, unafraid of having Washington DC and NYC and Miami bombed to smithereens in retaliation.
Does Iran have nukes? Maybe. Whether it really does or not, the US government is not so sure. Bush might have agreed (with certain conspirators) that the World Trade Center towers should be sacrificed to provide a pretext for war with Iraq, but the known inability of Iraq to fight effectively was a definite factor in the calculation.
Bush (and certain conspirators) is not so sure that he's prepared to sacrifice NYC and Miami for Iran's wealth. Iran's leaders know this, and they are doing the kitten-spitting-with-arched-back thing. And if you want to know who those conspirators are, you might have a look at (1) who the neocons are and (2) who most of the top advisors of Bush and Clinton were. While you're at it, notice who owns the media, who decides education policy, who gives the most money to favored politicial candidates, and who screams the loudest about "hate" whenever they are criticized in public.
Joined: Oct 19, 2004 Posts: 108 Location: Carlisle, PA
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject:
I don't think we invaded Iraq for oil per se, but because Iraq starting selling it's oil in euros rather than dollars. If that continued, the dollar bubble would burst long before peak oil had an effect.
Inavding Iraq also gives a defacto seat in OPEC.
So yeah, Iran is likely next. We don't care if they're religious nutcases, we don't care if they sponsor terrorism and we don't care if they build nuclear weapons. Just as long as they sell their oil in dollars.
In August it was revealed that one of Feith’s Middle East policy wonks, Lawrence Franklin, shared classified documents—including a draft National Security Presidential Directive formulated in Feith’s office that outlines a more aggressive U.S. national security strategy regarding Iran—with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and Israeli officials. The FBI is investigating the document transfer as a case of espionage.
The wonk in question never dreamed he'd get into trouble by giving classified information to AIPAC. Zionist groups have routinely been getting away with the theft of classified information, and my guess is that the FBI probe in this case is a tempest in a teapot that will come to nothing. Incidentally, the Anti-Defamation League was caught in illegal possession of classified information after government agents raided their offices in Los Angeles and San Francisco about 10 years ago. Apparently, they'd corrupted a police officer to help them get the documents.
I remember having seen, before the war with Iraq started, a political cartoon in which Ariel Sharon was holding a tiny George W. Bush in his fist, admonishing: "No, no Georgie! First you attack the one that ends in Q. THEN you attack the one that ends in N."
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: you better hope we do do some more regime "changing&quo
Look people, I agree on the surface Iraq IS about oil, but it's "about oil" only insofar as "oil" is required for OUR very survival. Without massive imports of black gold, I think we can all agree that the USA will collapse, utterly and violently. And there is no shortage of people who relish and look forward to that day. With all our faults, we are still the beacon of the worlds last, best hope.
President Cheney(sic,lol) KNOWS we must secure the last known reserves OR THE CHINESE WILL. In February 04 China suspended ALL oil exports, ie; they became net importers (like just about everyone else). Japan WAS their biggest customer, and they are now their biggest regional competitor for the resource. Japan has NO signifigant oil deposits from what I've read and the re-militarization of Japan has begun.
You can complain about "American Imperialism" but the fact is, Chinese Imperialism is GEOMETRICALLY more violent, more dangerous, and far, far more polluting than the combined activities of all western colonial powers. There will be NO CNN cameras to hinder Chinese aggression...
The psychotic Iranian regime is a threat to the entire world, like wise the the pathologically homicidal Israeli regime. Both need to be changed. The last thing the world needs are two nuclear armed Theocracys at the end of the age of oil- both cancers must be excised for the sake of humanity.
Radical Islam, despite all the PC blather is the rule, not the exception in the ME, and frankly in the UK and USA Muslim communities.F or example, in the Muslim mosques near me it is a fact that these practioners of the religion of "peace" outline frankly, succinctly and openly discuss their "100 year plan" to "take over" the USA through population growth (polygamy) and immigration. They mean it. And they believe it.
The question that you have to ask yourselves is; "What is more important, the culture that created the most egalitarian, fair, free society in the history of mankind (not that we are without faults) or the culture that created honor killings, birkas, beheadings, forced conversions on pain of death and is hell bent to bring the rest of the world back to the 8th century? There is only 1 answer to that question; I only hope we all answer before its too late.
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 1328 Location: Suburban tar sands
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:31 am Post subject: Re: you better hope we do do some more regime "changing
hoplite wrote:
Look people, I agree on the surface Iraq IS about oil, but it's "about oil" only insofar as "oil" is required for OUR very survival. Without massive imports of black gold, I think we can all agree that the USA will collapse, utterly and violently.
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the culture that created the most egalitarian, fair, free society in the history of mankind
"the culture that created the most egalitarian, fair, free society in the history of mankind ' is going to "collapse, utterly and violently" because they don't have cheap gasoline fro their SUVs?
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