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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Scientific Evidence of Why PO Denial Is Widespread ?
ElijahJones wrote:
...I see one subspecies that is characterized by higher emotional intelligence, higher technical ability and an ability to learn the skills of psycho-analysis and relational feedback. In general these people have an adaptable intelligence that seems to be selected for by a certain level of success in modern societies...Let me give a name to this supposed subspecies, Homo sapiens auricus...
Apparently "Auricus" has always been a subspecies, at least throughout recorded history. Change "success in modern societies" to "success in any society". In every era, as far back as we can see, certain individuals have risen to the top and achieved that "certain level".
Do you think Cro-Magnon man had no tribal leaders? Nothing has changed since then.
Perhaps you are confusing "adaptable intelligence" with that most unfathomable of human qualities, "charisma".
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: Scientific Evidence of Why PO Denial Is Widespread ?
All good points but not completely satisfactory in determining why a minute portion of the population seems to have no problem in understanding the meaning and consequences of PO, while the absolute vast number of individuals out there obviously posseses no receptors for these kind of projections. I guess there must be an additional uknown variable that prevents the kind of reasoning and train of thought that most here on this forum follow. So far I was not able to figure out what this variable is but it conclusively must exist!
Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6417 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:57 am Post subject: Re: Scientific Evidence of Why PO Denial Is Widespread ?
albente wrote:
...while the absolute vast number of individuals out there obviously possess no receptors for these kind of projections.
I'm not sure why you folks are finding it so hard to get through to people. All I do is ask how many barrels of oil they think are being consumed worldwide, then tell them the actual figure of 84 million, and they generally turn white and reel around a little.
I have some very smart, well-informed friends, and all of them thought the figure was something in the range of ten to twenty million barrels. Everybody is utterly stunned to find out about the true number, and the projected demand in the future.
That's all it takes. They instantly catch on and understand the problem. Try opening the discussion that way next time, and see what sort of response you get.
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:10 am Post subject: Re: Scientific Evidence of Why PO Denial Is Widespread ?
Albente wrote:
"All good points but not completely satisfactory in determining why a minute portion of the population seems to have no problem in understanding the meaning and consequences of PO, while the absolute vast number of individuals out there obviously posseses no receptors for these kind of projections. I guess there must be an additional uknown variable that prevents the kind of reasoning and train of thought that most here on this forum follow. So far I was not able to figure out what this variable is but it conclusively must exist!"
PenultimateManStanding wrote:
threadbear wrote:
Great. Now the elderly blind can be depressed too.
That's funny. Are you depressed by Peak Oil? I occasionally get a bit spooked by it, but I don't find it depresses me.
Here's a theory, adopted from the above exchange from another thread. Possibly instead of being disturbed by Peak Oil, PO'ers are morbidly fascinated by society's impending doom. Maybe too much abuse as children - and now we can get even, heh heh heh heh.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Scientific Evidence of Why PO Denial Is Widespread ?
Basic points everybody goes through in such things:
1)herd mentality-everyone follows everyone else and not a radical minority(PO people of first days were radical minority or Jimmy Carter)
2)follow the leader or trendsetter(all of those however are now in denial as their success depended on current oil dependent system)
3)never heard of it, not correctly presented(light bulb did not go on in head) or not by the right person(my most trusted TV news anchor, politician or actor or best friend).
4)personally not a specialist, too many conflicting opinions of experts, can't be sure(see global warming debate up until recently)
5)I see no real evidence as of today. the government would have certainly taken emergency measures, I mean like,the CIA must have known about it, right?. Even if it is real what can I do to change anything?
6) I am convinced, a peaknik, depressed and scared. I am now an outsider, a Cassandra(all of us here).
7) Late adapter - only watches soaps and plays computer games, PO becomes mainstream knowledge, TSHTF, shocked and screwed when pizza delivery service comes only by foot after two hours and the electricity is cut off in rolling blackouts.
still in denial way past peak-" it is all just a conspiracy of the trilateral commission, etc., etc. etc. "
9) Dead - buried with his pick up-on his tombstone the words "The American way of life is nonnegotiable"
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Scientific Evidence of Why PO Denial Is Widespread ?
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All I do is ask how many barrels of oil they think are being consumed worldwide, then tell them the actual figure of 84 million, and they generally turn white and reel around a little.
Yeah, I never realized we used that much oil till after looking at life after the oil crash. Once you realize those kind of numbers and the projections for demand theres no way you think we are gonna be able to continue like this for much longer.
Crazy that we are burning a finite resource at such rates isn't it. Something has got to give eventually.
Albert Bartletts lecture was an eye opener when he talked about how in each decade we were burning more oil than had been burned in all of the previous decades combined. Thats really crazy when you think about it. Most people have no grasp of runaway exponential growth and the problems with it.
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still in denial way past peak-" it is all just a conspiracy of the trilateral commission, etc., etc. etc. "
