Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: A "Post Carbon" Community in British Columbia
notwithstanding the issue that being a former bearded ponytailed type from the "summer of love" I get quite a chuckle that the former hippie communes that were so prevelant on the coast back then have now gone upscale and are advertising! I guess that goes along with the irony that back in those days everyone was trying to score a "lid" of acapulco gold whereas now the guerilla farms in BC produce the pot of choice for much of North America. (hey I haven't smoked this stuff since university days....oh and I didn't inhale!....but I do still have friends who never grew up... a couple who have one of those little patch farms in BC that the RCMP just can't seem to find from the sky...Oh and if the RCMP are scanning this site...no, I don't know the location).
Truthfully though, if you got rid of the stench from the pulp mill this part of the world is truly a slice of heaven. Fishing out here has been shown to follow typical 11 year cycles which often isn't helped by commercial overfishing but likely one could still catch enough salmon or ling cod to do alright. Oyster farming is possible and other shellfish are available as long as you understand the concept and timing of red tide. I would think conventional "meat" hunting would be a bit challenging but you can certainly grow vegetables for much of the year here ( for crying out loud the Haida seemed to have done a pretty good job of surviving for a few centuries). Can't imagine wanting to live out there though unless you had a hardy weather proofed sailboat (a Hunter or C&C comes to mind). I suspect you could convert the engines on these things to run some kind of grain alcohol mix rather than diesel but don't really know. It certainly would give you access to a lot more coastline and fishing territory, especially in times when the fish had moved elsewhere (which they do occassionally).
If I had to "run for cover" this part of the world is likely where I'd go.
parasites on the body politic
moronic socialist parasite
useful idiots
Communist Ass Kisser
Eastern Socialist Bedwetters
Latte sipping bedpisser wearing a Che teeshirt
spoonfed by some leftwing screwball
a bedpisser who needs someone to change your diaper
Your a bedwetter who will shortly have no one to change your diaper for you
you missy are an idiot
eastern communist brethren
Gee, and we haven't even met yet.
In the early '80's there was an Albertan bumper sticker:
"Let The Eastern Bastards Freeze In The Dark"
In the late '80's it was:
"Dear God, Please Let There Be Another Oil Boom And We Promise Not To Piss It Away This Time"
Conventional oil and gas are declining in Alberta and the Province gets next to no royalties on the oilsands.
I worry that Alberta will go the way of Nigeria with a wealthy elite and the bulk of the population impoverished and disenfranchised. It seems to me that concentration of wealth in the hands of a few is anti-democratic as that wealth too easily subverts the democratic process.
I love Alberta and think it would be a shame to sell out your future for a few dollars today. I may be left of center but I voted for Preston Manning because he believed in democracy, where is he today?
The oilsands are an environmental sacrifice zone, now they want to drill in the foothills. Will Alberta be as beautiful when they get done extracting the resources? And who benefits; the people of Alberta or a few stockholders?
Wow. What a mess. I started reading this thread, and was proudly thinking, "How much more civil and restrained we Canadians are," and then the whole thing blew up into some petty cat fight.
I'm sure one of the combatants will have something nasty to say about me if I say anything at all, so I'll just check in for now. _________________ :::: Jan Steinman, Communication Steward, EcoReality, a forming sustainable community. Be the change! ::::
Wow. What a mess. I started reading this thread, and was proudly thinking, "How much more civil and restrained we Canadians are,".
I wonder there is this coming from? Every Canadian believe that "Canadians are much more civil and restrained" when in fact per capita they are... I wouldn't even go there. Just note that in order to be better each Canadian has to do more then 10 times better then 10 Americans and it is not just the case. Once one look at Canada per capita and not per square mile the picture changes totally.
Wow. What a mess. I started reading this thread, and was proudly thinking, "How much more civil and restrained we Canadians are," and then the whole thing blew up into some petty cat fight.
I'm sure one of the combatants will have something nasty to say about me if I say anything at all, so I'll just check in for now.
Canadians are far too civil and restrained for their own good. We had better get some spine, stand up to the politicians and boot the neo-cons and neo-liberals out, or we will end up a third world, corporate controlled backwater.
The Banff venue was co-chaired by George Shultz, a staunch Republican, former Secretary of State to President Ronald Reagan who later became president and director of Bechtel corporation.
Top execs from the military-industrial complex and the oil companies were present including Lockheed Martin, Chevron, Mexico's PEMEX and Suncor Energy.
Top officials and policy analysts from the military's research labs and thinks tanks including Livermore were invited to integrate several of the specialized panels.
The meetings focused on the interrelationship between North American defense systems, militarization, national security, borders, immigration, military production and the control over North America's energy reserves.
The venue had more to do with profit driven militarization than "continental prosperity" .
No journalists, no press releases, no commentary which might inform public opinion, a total media blackout
The only thing I am wondering about is what happens in the event of a terror attack? The US has all the ground work laid out for martial law at the drop of a hat or more precisely the stroke of a pen. What tools does Harper have for a smack down on the citizens of Canada? Should be interesting!
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: Re: CANADA THREAD
Kickinthegob wrote:
The US has all the ground work laid out for martial law at the drop of a hat or more precisely the stroke of a pen. What tools does Harper have for a smack down on the citizens of Canada? Should be interesting!
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: Re: CANADA THREAD
Canada and the US get cozy about oil in the Beaufort Sea link
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But while the US desires the Northwest Passage to be an international ocean highway, in reality, the US Navy already is figuring out how to control the region lest terrorists use it to launch an attack Research points out that policing the area will be difficult because there are no good communications satellites in orbit that cover the North Pole.
The Canadians, who usually get down for Washington, this time are determined not to be ordered around by Bush or anybody else in Washington.
Stephen Harper, the new Canadian prime minister wants to deploy ice breakers to patrol and defend the country's arctic waters. David Wilkins, the American ambassador, made the Canadians mad when he said with the usual American arrogance, "There is no reason to create a problem that doesn't exist.''
To which Harper replied, "The United States defends its sovereignty and the Canadian government will defend our sovereignty. It is the Canadian people we get our mandate from, not the ambassador of the United States.''
The previous "anti-terrorist exercise" entitled TOPOFF 2 was held two years ago in May 2003. It was described as "the largest and most comprehensive terrorism response and homeland security exercise ever conducted in the United States." It was carried out in a military style exercise by federal, State and local level governments, including Canadian participants. TOPOFF 2 established various "scenarios" under a Red Code Alert.
In other words, it was conducted on the same assumptions as a military exercise, in anticipation of an actual war situation, examining various WMD terror attack scenarios and the institutional response of State and local governments:
The April 2005 so-called Full Scale Exercise`` TOPOFF 3 goes much further than the May 2003 TOPFF 2.
TOPOFF 3 involved a larger number of individual participants. Moreover, in addition to Canada which had been involved in TOPOFF 2 , the exercise also included the participation of Britain's Home Office. The UK had labeled its exercise "Atlantic Blue", whereas Canada designated its component of TOPOFF 3 as "Triple Play".
While there was mention of the Canadian exercise in the news, the details of "Atlantic Blue" were not revealed, nor were they reviewed in the British press. Britain's Home Office Minister Hazel Blears admitted in March that "There will be no visible 'on the ground' activity within the UK exercise". (quoted in the Sunday Express, 3 April 2005).
Coordinated by Canada's Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness and the RCMP, eighteen Canadian federal departments, as well as the provinces of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, took part in the mock terror attack.
"Officials circulate word the ocean-going ship Castlemaine, en route to Halifax, carries a container holding chemicals for creating a weapon of mass destruction - possibly like the deadly substance already released in the United States and Britain. A meeting is hastily called to devise a plan."
Northcom is described as having "a Creeping Civilian Mission". (David Isenberg, Asian Times, 5 December 2003). Since its inception, it has been building capabilities in domestic intelligence and law enforcement. It is in permanent liaison with the DHS and the Justice Department. It has several hundred FBI and CIA officers stationed at its headquarters in Colorado. (National Journal, 1 May 2004). It is in permanent liaison, through an advanced communications system, with municipalities and domestic civilian law enforcement agencies around the country. (Ibid). It also has links to Canadian military and government authorities through the so-called "binaitonal planning group".
The jurisdiction of the Northern Command now extends from Mexico to Alaska. Under ("bi-national") agreements signed with Canada and Mexico, Northern Command can intervene and deploy its forces and military arsenal on land, air and sea in Canada (extending into its Northern territories), throughout Mexico and in parts of the Caribbean.
Does Northern Command need Canadian permission to 'deploy'?
Does Northern Command need Canadian permission to 'deploy'?
Nobody who is not a citizen has any right, automatic or otherwise, to be in this country (or any other). Permission is always necessary. It would be nearly impossible to prevent US troops from entering Canada by force, but that's not the same as doing so under the aegis of the law.
The third Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America summit meeting is scheduled for August 20 and 21 in Montebello, Quebec, at the Fairmont Le Chateau Montebello resort.
Canadian activists were planning to protest the SPP summit, although the planned meeting has received almost no mention in the mainstream media.
The US military is on Canadian soil forbidding the Municipality of Papineauville from renting a hall to the Council of Canadians who planned a public meeting to be held the day before the Three Amigos meet in Montebello, Quebec, Canada August 20, 21 2007 to plan their next moves in the dismantling of their respective countries of Canada, USA and Mexico.
It was one thing when Bush had "Free Speech Zones" that were miles away from his motorcade. But it appears that this uniquely American version of "free" speech is now coming to Canada -- courtesy of the US military, which I'm sure is acting on behalf of "anti-terrorism."
Nickel wrote:
It would be nearly impossible to prevent US troops from entering Canada by force, but that's not the same as doing so under the aegis of the law.
People don't want it; they're bitching about the downside of NAFTA.
But it appears that the "people" won't be allowed to have their say on this one. _________________ :::: Jan Steinman, Communication Steward, EcoReality, a forming sustainable community. Be the change! ::::
Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 612 Location: Athabasca, Alberta
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:00 am Post subject: Re: CANADA THREAD
I just returned from Vancouver Island, and though I took the Yellowhead to get there I returned by I-90 due to the fact US roads are better and not as steep (I am a flatlander). I met a couple from Toronto going to Calgary to visit their sons who were also taking a US route because of the cheaper gas. I later found other people doing the same thing.
Please add to the Canadain character the term "two faced". _________________ Appuis ait fabrum esse suae quemque fortunae.
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I guess that goes along with the irony that back in those days everyone was trying to score a "lid" of acapulco gold whereas now the guerilla farms in BC produce the pot of choice for much of North America. (hey I haven't smoked this stuff since university days....oh and I didn't inhale!....but I do still have friends who never grew up... a couple who have one of those little patch farms in BC that the RCMP just can't seem to find from the sky...Oh and if the RCMP are scanning this site...no, I don't know the location).
