Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4557 Location: Boston, MA
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Earthday Footprint quiz
stupid_monkeys wrote:
Tyler_JC wrote:
Does that mean the size of the entire structure in terms of space used on the earth?
Or does it mean the amount of living space?
Living space (think apartments)
Darn.
So I'm still the biggest land user on the site (so far).
And I still haven't bothered to do the calculations on a per acre or pre hectacre basis.
So please include the number of planets needed to sustain your lifestyle as well. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse."
Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 1185 Location: Richmond, VA, Pale Blue Dot
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Earthday Footprint quiz
Ludi wrote:
If I had six or eight kids I'd have a smaller footprint. Does that make any sense?
well sorta... I assume you are refering to the the number of people in the household. They don't say it has to be kids. If you share that space with that many adults (or kids), it would be much more efficient. I think thats what they are saying. _________________ "If you are a real seeker after truth, it's necessary that at least once in your life you doubt all things as far as possible"-Rene Descartes
"When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth"-Sherlock Holmes
Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 1185 Location: Richmond, VA, Pale Blue Dot
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Earthday Footprint quiz
For me:
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 18
IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 4 PLANETS. _________________ "If you are a real seeker after truth, it's necessary that at least once in your life you doubt all things as far as possible"-Rene Descartes
"When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth"-Sherlock Holmes
Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 1185 Location: Richmond, VA, Pale Blue Dot
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: Earthday Footprint quiz
tinosorb wrote:
If you reproduced 4 times and share your house with your offspring, you get a lower score. You should have a much higher impact if you spawned.
They don't say it has to be kids. If you share that space with that many adults (or kids), it would be much more efficient. _________________ "If you are a real seeker after truth, it's necessary that at least once in your life you doubt all things as far as possible"-Rene Descartes
"When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth"-Sherlock Holmes
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Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4557 Location: Boston, MA
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: Earthday Footprint quiz
tinosorb wrote:
Not if you made those kids. Any marginal gains in housing efficiency will be offset by the fact that you created new Westernized consumers, presumably with lifestyles as destructive as your own, or possibly even more destructive.
Bingo.
The test should ask how many children you have. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse."
Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 1185 Location: Richmond, VA, Pale Blue Dot
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Earthday Footprint quiz
Tyler_JC wrote:
tinosorb wrote:
Not if you made those kids. Any marginal gains in housing efficiency will be offset by the fact that you created new Westernized consumers, presumably with lifestyles as destructive as your own, or possibly even more destructive.
Bingo.
The test should ask how many children you have.
yup. _________________ "If you are a real seeker after truth, it's necessary that at least once in your life you doubt all things as far as possible"-Rene Descartes
"When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth"-Sherlock Holmes
Find out how much of the earth's resources you are taking up!
I scored 2.1 Hectares, as opposed to the UK's average of 5.3.
I'd be smugly congratulating myself, If I still wasn't overshooting the Earth's capacity of 1.8 Hectares per person by about 20%.
You only need to know what area your dwelling covers, all the rest of the questions are straightforward.
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.2
MOBILITY 0.5
SHELTER 6.9
GOODS/SERVICES 4.9
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 16
IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.7 PLANETS. _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Ecological Footprint Quiz
CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 1.4
MOBILITY 0.5
SHELTER 2
GOODS/SERVICES 2.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 6.1
IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 8.4 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.4 PLANETS.
Much work still to do! The page did not ask much about heating, which for the cold north is important (I know I have more work in this area). Also having just bought a place I have not yet had a crop from the garden. Feeling depressed --- thought I was further along than it seems I am.
Joined: May 19, 2004 Posts: 892 Location: San Francisco, California
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Ecological Footprint Quiz
How do they define "biologically productive?" Is farm land biologically productive? Is a tree farm?
Is it possible to use acreage without subtracting from the world's supply of biologically productive land? For example, if they build an oil rig in an already existing parking lot, the land is effectively dual use and they're not removing any new area from the biosphere.
Today, the biosphere has 26.7 billion acres (or 10.8 billion hectares) of biologically productive space corresponding to less than one-quarter of the planet's surface.
Does this count the oceans as biologically productive? How does this quiz take the use of resources under the sea into account?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for sustainability. I just think that this use of firm numbers is misleading and possibly bogus.
Joined: Apr 28, 2005 Posts: 3687 Location: West shore Lake Eire, MI, USA
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Ecological Footprint Quiz
johnmarkos wrote:
How do they define "biologically productive?" Is farm land biologically productive? Is a tree farm?
Is it possible to use acreage without subtracting from the world's supply of biologically productive land? For example, if they build an oil rig in an already existing parking lot, the land is effectively dual use and they're not removing any new area from the biosphere.
Today, the biosphere has 26.7 billion acres (or 10.8 billion hectares) of biologically productive space corresponding to less than one-quarter of the planet's surface.
Does this count the oceans as biologically productive? How does this quiz take the use of resources under the sea into account?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for sustainability. I just think that this use of firm numbers is misleading and possibly bogus.
Something I wonderd about is the land use deal, a great deal of land is good for grazing but not good for intensive agriculture but the test seems to asume if you eat free range meat twice a week you need several acrea's of land just for yourself. Growing up we raised a lot of poultry, enough for a meal every day of the week for a family of 5, on a one acre plot. Just because you eat meat does not mean you eat a whole chicken, or a huge pot roast, each. _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Ecological Footprint Quiz
If we kept our farking breeding rates down to an intelligent advanced level we could do almost anything we wanted and the earth would recycle the waste products and impacts.
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