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advancedatheist
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Post subject: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:52 pm |
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http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/20 ... 91517.html
Quote: AFX News Limited Enel sees possible electricity blackouts due to gas shortage 12.14.2005, 10:31 AM
ROME (AFX) - Enel SpA chief executive Fulvio Conti said that Italy risks electricity blackouts due to a shortage in gas supplies.
Speaking at a parliamentary hearing, Conti said that gas demand is increasing due to further consumption by gas-fuelled power plants, while supply capacity is limited.
Conti called for the construction of regasification terminals in Italy to foster imports of liquefied gas.
_________________ "There was a time before reason and science when my ancestors believed in all manner of nonsense." Narim on <I>Stargate SG-1</i>.
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sameu
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:45 pm |
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Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:00 am Posts: 582 Location: Belgium, Europe
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whoeps
it seems the shit is hitting the fan at an evermore higher velocity
and yes why not more regasification stations for more LNG usage
exactly the same answer as the uk and the us, a tanker can only deliver at one place now doesn't it
and an amount of gas can only be burned once
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Hegel
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:21 pm |
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Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 139 Location: Germany
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That is indeed bad news. Switzerland expects a winter drought and might be forced to shutdown its nuclear power plants. Now Italy imports a good amount of electricity from all other EU-25 Member states. Rolling black-outs on christmas?
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Last edited by Hegel on Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:39 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Barbara
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:20 am |
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Translation into italian version LOL:
ENEL is competitor of ENI. ENI is the company of nat gas (and oil), while ENEL is the power company. To sum it all, they are pushing to build coal plants but govt/people prefer gas plant for environmental reasons. Now ENEL talks of natgas shortages to push their agenda for coal plants.
Nothing to worry, people. It's just stupid competition. ENI has no problem with natgas. The gas heater is on, the cooker is cooking and everything OK (and gas cheap as usual LOL).
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Ludi
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:16 am |
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Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:00 am Posts: 16911 Location: The Hourglass of Doom
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Hegel wrote: That is indeed bad news. Switzerland expects a winter drought and might be forced to shutdown its nuclear power plants.
I want the nuke boosters to address this problem, please. If nukes are so good at providing uninterrupted power, what about this issue of having to shut them down if there's a drought?
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TorrKing
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:26 am |
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Ludi wrote: Hegel wrote: That is indeed bad news. Switzerland expects a winter drought and might be forced to shutdown its nuclear power plants. I want the nuke boosters to address this problem, please. If nukes are so good at providing uninterrupted power, what about this issue of having to shut them down if there's a drought?
Insufficient cooling?
Torjus Gaaren
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dukey
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:37 am |
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so let me get this straight
UK is having a production collapse of oil/gas and subsiquently is short of gas
USA is short of gas
Italy is short on gas
wheres it all going to come from ? Liquid natural gas makes up like 1 or 2% of USA gas. Its a tiny amount. Also im sure theres a large energy loss in compressing gas to a liquid etc ..then transporting it around to the other side of the planet in diesel powered tankers 
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Hegel
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:33 am |
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Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 139 Location: Germany
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Yes cooling issue feared this winter by Swiss authorities.
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pip
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:38 am |
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Ludi wrote: Hegel wrote: That is indeed bad news. Switzerland expects a winter drought and might be forced to shutdown its nuclear power plants. I want the nuke boosters to address this problem, please. If nukes are so good at providing uninterrupted power, what about this issue of having to shut them down if there's a drought?
Overhead air exchangers can also be used for cooling. Water cooling is cheaper so it's what people do.
I interviewed an engineer from the refinery in the Virgin Islands once. That refinery evidently uses no cooling water due to lack of fresh water on the island. All cooling is done using overhead fans. I'm not a nuke expert, but I assume cooling is cooling.
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Sgs-Cruz
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:13 am |
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dukey wrote: so let me get this straight UK is having a production collapse of oil/gas and subsiquently is short of gas USA is short of gas Italy is short on gas wheres it all going to come from ? Liquid natural gas makes up like 1 or 2% of USA gas. Its a tiny amount. Also im sure theres a large energy loss in compressing gas to a liquid etc ..then transporting it around to the other side of the planet in diesel powered tankers 
And yet natural gas on a worldwide basis isn't supposed to peak until, like, 2030. Is this because it's so hard to ship around? That'd make sense if all the new production was coming from Russia or Algeria and the demand is in the USA and Western Europe, and no pipelines have been built yet...
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TorrKing
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:26 am |
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Sgs-Cruz wrote: And yet natural gas on a worldwide basis isn't supposed to peak until, like, 2030.
I have thought about that recently too. You are probably right about that it is harder to ship though. I guess it has less energy per volume.
And for example the important pipeline from Norway to UK is still under construction.
But 2030 seems a little optimistic these days.
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aahala
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:44 am |
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I agree with Barbara.
This is a case of "seize the day", piggy backing on news of the US
situation. What possible connection is there?
BTW, there has been no large scale blackouts(yet) in the US because
of NG. There is no real shortage of NG either, at $17. The shortage is
$10 gas.
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clv101
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:56 pm |
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Sgs-Cruz wrote: dukey wrote: so let me get this straight UK is having a production collapse of oil/gas and subsiquently is short of gas USA is short of gas Italy is short on gas wheres it all going to come from ? Liquid natural gas makes up like 1 or 2% of USA gas. Its a tiny amount. Also im sure theres a large energy loss in compressing gas to a liquid etc ..then transporting it around to the other side of the planet in diesel powered tankers  And yet natural gas on a worldwide basis isn't supposed to peak until, like, 2030. Is this because it's so hard to ship around? That'd make sense if all the new production was coming from Russia or Algeria and the demand is in the USA and Western Europe, and no pipelines have been built yet...
Global peak gas is in my opinion almost irrelevant. We'll never move gas around in the same magnitudes and with the same ease that we move oil. For this reason regional peaks are more important for gas than they were/are for oil.
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Hegel
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Post subject: Re: Natural gas shortages in Italy Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:30 pm |
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I fully agree with you, clv101. I hope the new Netherlands Interconnector can help corner UKs NG problem this winter. Otherwise a major european economical crises will arise in 2006 as a consequence 
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