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Jake_old
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:31 pm |
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Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:00 am Posts: 758 Location: Luton, England
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I thought you were bowing out if this discussion leaf. You just can't help yourself.
Quote: Your hatred makes you strong Wildwell wrote Quote: I don't wish to speculate
yes you do, so do I.
I speculate that tomorrow is gonna be horrendous.
ps, smilies aren't working for me now:-(
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Jake_old
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:28 pm |
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Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:00 am Posts: 758 Location: Luton, England
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Sorry but isn't that prediction like saying not much will happen with the markets tomorrow.
Not trying to be clever, smilies not working.
Edit: Errrr.....I meant the prediction below....
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pup55
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:32 pm |
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Prediction (remember where you heard it first):
The US oil and gasoline markets will open higher tomorrow.
At about 11:00AM ET, a wave of mysterious selling will hit the market (the plunge protection team/saudis will take over). By the end of the day, the market will have changed only marginally.
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cube
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:40 pm |
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dukat wrote: $10 It's a terrorist attack. Was it gas or oil blown up? I wonder, do terrorists play the crude oil commodity futures market? 
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some_guy282
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:22 pm |
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Well, someone was playing the futures market before 9/11.
_________________ In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule. – Nietzsche
Time makes more converts than reason. – Thomas Paine
History is a set of lies agreed upon. – Napoleon Bonaparte
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frankthetank
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:10 pm |
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You can see that yucky brown/black cloud on Sat imagery from today
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rockdoc123
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:21 pm |
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well I personally think you are all bonkers...this is a local perturbation not global. Why would a lack of refined products in the UK suddenly make the US market freak out when they have normal product storage? Yes...there is always the panic thing that happens but the fundamentals here don't support a big build in price. In North America there was serious builds in all products last week, my guess is you will see panic buying and selling on Brent but by midday in New York everything will be back to normal. Mind you most of the traders have the education and IQ of a clam so anything might happen.
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RdSnt
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:02 pm |
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DigitalCubano wrote: Leaf wrote: It won't amount to a hill of optimist beans. Touche'.  I'm just saying that when Katrina and Rita hit there were some folks ready to run for the hills, certain that the end was near...
Well, New Orleans ended.
_________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie.
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RdSnt
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:06 pm |
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Wildwell wrote: Loads of fuel...This depot is quite small compared to some and there are 100s of others. At the big refineries in Stanlow, Teeside, Milford Haven and humberside and Fawley there are millions more, plus pipelines in from Europe. Heathrow has other supplies from Fawley and other links to Humberside.
It isn't that fragile, it's not even a big deal no-one was even killed, it just happened to make a loud bang and about 20 million people could here it if they kept their ears open at 6am this morning.
You reasoning is flawed. Fuel supplies in Britain are tight and the unexpected loss of a large batch of it is meaningful.
By your reasoning, 320 million litres are bigger if they come from a large depot than a small one.
_________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie.
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RdSnt
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:15 pm |
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rockdoc123 wrote: well I personally think you are all bonkers...this is a local perturbation not global. Why would a lack of refined products in the UK suddenly make the US market freak out when they have normal product storage? Yes...there is always the panic thing that happens but the fundamentals here don't support a big build in price. In North America there was serious builds in all products last week, my guess is you will see panic buying and selling on Brent but by midday in New York everything will be back to normal. Mind you most of the traders have the education and IQ of a clam so anything might happen.
It will pursue an opportunity to profit.
_________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie.
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FireJack
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:58 pm |
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On the bbc website its says 20 tanks of petrol each with a capacity of 3 millions gallons. So thats 60 million gallons of fuel assuming each tank was full.
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clv101
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:53 pm |
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RdSnt wrote: You reasoning is flawed. Fuel supplies in Britain are tight and the unexpected loss of a large batch of it is meaningful. By your reasoning, 320 million litres are bigger if they come from a large depot than a small one.
Any evidence to suggest how tight the UK fuel supply is and that this loss is significant? My understanding is that the UK has significantly more than one days stocks on hand and the daily rate of extraction/product production is completely unaffected.
_________________ "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen." The Emperor (Return of the Jedi)
The Oil Drum: Europe
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clv101
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:04 am |
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RedJake wrote: I think the closure of the M1 is a big issue, even if its just a couple of days. Surrounding towns will be gridlocked if it is not opened quickly. Wildwell wrote: Now the M1 is from what I can remember 400 yards from the depot, the heat would almost certainly melt the tarmac, so I reckon it's going to be shut for a bit yet. Good luck in the morning!
The M1 reopened around 2200 GMT after being closed for 12 hours.
_________________ "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen." The Emperor (Return of the Jedi)
The Oil Drum: Europe
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Biff
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:04 am |
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frankthetank wrote: You can see that yucky brown/black cloud on Sat imagery from today
The fire is petrol and parafin (translated: gasolene and kerosene), highly refined product of low molecular weight. When it burns inefficiently and partially there is a lot of soot. This is finely divided particles of carbon. When it rains it will wash out and be pretty harmless. It looks worse than it really is. Rather a waste but pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Several of the storage tanks are still intact so not all the potential 60 million gallons are lost. All that fuel would have been burnt in cars and planes soon anyway. The firefighters have started using foam at first light this morning and hope to have the fire controlled by lunchtime.
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Jake_old
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:27 am |
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Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:00 am Posts: 758 Location: Luton, England
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Not at all as bad travelling round the area, took me about 20 mins longer to get to work and was quite a nice drive through the country actually, I saw the fire as well, its still huge.
A lot of petrol stations low on fuel but the queues don't look that long anymore.
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