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Jake_old
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:58 am |
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Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:00 am Posts: 758 Location: Luton, England
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Have just listened to Prescotts statement to House of Commons.
He said the smoke consisted of Carbon Dioxide, Carbon Monoxide and Hydrocarbons(Obviously) and that the smoke wasn't toxic.
My wife works in environmental health and hydrocarbons are toxic but I don't know at what concentrations they have adverse effects. If there is hydrocarbon pollution in your garden you shouldn't grow Veg to eat.
Disclaimer: The above statement is not meant to indicate panic, choking to death, or Anarchy.
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Wildwell
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:20 pm |
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Leaf: What you can come up with some good, solid factual information on the UK, we'll be ready to listen. So, there's been a fire at an oil storage depot that supplies 3-4% of the UK's (which is one of the smallest per capita users of oil in Europe!) fuel supply. Big deal, it made an impressive picture on the front of some newspapers this morning of a helicopter view of central London and a plume of black smoke rising from some 25/30 miles distant and forming a great stinking black cloud over the city.
If you would like to discuss some of the fuel/transport/price implications, please do, but back it up with sources from experts not speculation and back of the envelope calculations. There is more than enough fuel/transport system redundancy in the UK to cope with such occurrences and there certainly is in Western Europe and the rest of the developed world.
A smaller version of the picture is in the link below
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005570457,00.html
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:23 pm |
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Leaf at his usual predictions I see.
I will make one too:
Leaf will be wrong, as usual......
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Wildwell
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:53 am |
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Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:00 am Posts: 2070 Location: UK
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According to the UK energy digest, the UK used 76.5 million tonnes of oil in 2004. Buncefield contained about 150,000 tonnes and around 100,000 tonnes were lost as a rough estimate from media reports. This total represents 1/765th of UK consumption - that’s about 12 hours worth of fuel use - although Buncefield contained refined products.
BTW the world consumes about 13 million tonnes of oil (crude) per day, therefore this total lost would be 1/132 of daily consumption.
Conclusion: No big deal.
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Doly
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:07 am |
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Wildwell wrote: BTW the world consumes about 13 million tonnes of oil (crude) per day, therefore this total lost would be 1/132 of daily consumption.
Conclusion: No big deal.
My thoughts exactly.
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Wildwell
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:37 am |
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If you want to think about it graphically, the black fart cloud in the sky is roughly what UK cars burn per day - albeit in a cleaner way.
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untothislast
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:19 am |
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Revi wrote: Those firefighters are the real heroes of our culture. Say what you want about 9/11 or Chernobyl, or this tragedy. Those guys (and gals) are the ones who save lives or die trying.
So very true. And yet in our 'getting value for money' obsessed times (a stricture curiously never applied in the case of parliamentarians), it wasn't that long ago the government was vociferous in its criticisms of the fire service, over all the 'free-time' they enjoy in between putting their lives on the line.
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DantesPeak
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:50 am |
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So, there was not going to be a petrol shortage because of this explosion?
Quote: Priority for dry petrol stations The Buncefield depot fire caused extensive damage Most petrol stations running out of fuel are being restocked within a few hours of running dry, fuel suppliers have said. Motorists have been facing shortages in the aftermath of the Buncefield oil depot blasts and a seasonal peak in petrol sales.
The south-east of England and the Midlands have been worst affected.
Suppliers say garages out of fuel are being treated as a priority and that shortages will be short-term.
A series of explosions destroyed the Hertfordshire depot - the fifth largest in the UK.
Damage to the distribution terminal, owned by Texaco and Total, has hit the supplies of a number of petrol retailers with fuel being brought in from elsewhere and lorries forced to travel greater distances.
The situation has been made worse by high demand in the run-up to Christmas.
Extra deliveries
The Petrol Retailers Association said up to 60 garages - in the Midlands, central London, Hertfordshire, Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire - had so far run out
Texaco said the shortages had hit only a handful of its sites and it had implemented extra deliveries.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4564030.stm
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Jake_old
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Post subject: Re: Large explosion at North London Oil terminal Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:59 am |
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Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:00 am Posts: 758 Location: Luton, England
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I live in the area. These shortages are logistical problems.
Still problems none the less. People aren't panic buying (not in Luton and surrounds anyway) if they were we'd be having big problems.
With the fuel protest we had a supply problem, I can only assume that it is because we know that the fuel is around that we are not panic buying.
It is only taking me about 2 petrol stations at most until I find what I need, and usually its at the first place. (its just that every station has pumps out of serice and a lack of 1 type of fuel).
Still a bit of a worry.
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