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 Post subject: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
New postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:47 am 
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UK truckers are a bit restless because of high diesel prices....UK Chancellor Gordon Brown has a cunning plan though. Essentially it boils down to people in Iran, Nigeria and Venzuela taking a cut in their standard of living so that we can have cheap fuel in the West. Sounds a great plan, can't imagine any issues with that.

For info, his Plan includes 5 points:

    Opec to increase oil supply
    Opec to open books to show reserves
    Windfall from high oil prices to be diverted to funding new production
    New World Bank fund to help developing countries invest in alternative sources of energy
    New IMF facility to support poor countries hit by shocks in oil and commodities markets


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4239772.stm

Time to run vehicles on CNG, no need to go to petrol stations again....

Hopefully Gordon will have a plan that gives us all cheap Ferraris and cheap holidays in the Maldives too


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 Post subject: Re: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
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....and he's supposed to replace Tony?

Or else you will end up with Clarke?

UK sure is going down the gurgler.


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 Post subject: Re: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
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It's not me, it's OPEC.

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I think it's safe to assume that by now, Gordon Brown and just about anybody high up in any government of any European country is aware of peak oil. So what I wonder is: why don't they speak up?


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 Post subject: Re: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
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I think it's safe to assume that by now, Gordon Brown and just about anybody high up in any government of any European country is aware of peak oil. So what I wonder is: why don't they speak up?


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 Post subject: Re: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
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Doly wrote:
...government of any European country is aware of peak oil. So what I wonder is: why don't they speak up?


Take your pick:

* Telling the electorate "the easy life is over" is not a good way to stay elected
* If you make people lose faith in future investment, this only accelerates the recession
* Politicians never admit to failure, and this is their biggest failure in history


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 Post subject: Re: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
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GreyGhost wrote:
Doly wrote:
...government of any European country is aware of peak oil. So what I wonder is: why don't they speak up?


Take your pick:

* Telling the electorate "the easy life is over" is not a good way to stay elected
* If you make people lose faith in future investment, this only accelerates the recession
* Politicians never admit to failure, and this is their biggest failure in history


You've hit the nail on the head there. As has been quoted many times before they have to keep the economy going. It would take a very brave member of the government to get up and say sorry folks, it's all over..time to start again.


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 Post subject: Re: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
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Doly wrote:
I think it's safe to assume that by now, Gordon Brown and just about anybody high up in any government of any European country is aware of peak oil. So what I wonder is: why don't they speak up?


This is one of those stupid conspiracy type assumptions. Haven't people learned by now that are our leaders are not super-intelligent with all encompassing powers. They are ignorant fuck-ups like you and me.

I guess people who are ignorant and stupid really need to believe that "they" are in the know, even if this results in the belief that "they" are acting with evil intent, because "they" didn't act on the knowledge "they" are assumed to have. [This really must be some sort of psychological condition, it is so widespread. Perhaps it is a way people justify their own inaction, a form of "its not my fault"?]

The fact is "they" do not know better than us. The problem is that while this belief exists, the people who could make a difference, ie. you, sit around paralysed with suspicion and fear, BSing about why "they" aren't doing anything. They aren't doing anything, because they think PO is crap. You need to be lobbying your representative. Persuade them it is not crap.

We have a huge long way to go. Starting off with stupid assumptions is a bad way to start.

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 Post subject: Re: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
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I also believe our politicians (and it goes for all of them) are some of the stupidest people on Earth.

However Brown will continue to blame OPEC (who are also fuckwitts, but that doesn't matter) until -

A. He's out of office
B. The Government collapses
C. He dies

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I'm a US citizen, but I eagerly look for news that there is any hint that the UK will dump Blair.

If Gordon is the replacement?

Maybe they should stick with the devil they know.


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They're both shit.

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 Post subject: Re: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
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I'm a US citizen, but I eagerly look for news that there is any hint that the UK will dump Blair.

Blair is a Sports Fan.

England won the Rugby World Cup in 2003

London won the right to hold the olympics in 2012

England won the Ashes yesterday (cricket)

The next football world cup is next summer (2006), assuming we win that (highly likely given that we are following a highly successful plan to lull the rest of world into thinking our team is useless), then Blair will go.


There will be no other good stuff left to glory in for the PM.....all there'll be left will be terrorism, Iraq, peak oil, global warming, Africa.......who would want to do that for a living?


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 Post subject: Re: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
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Labour are weak and ineffective. Mind you aren’t they all? Any moment now someone will pull the handle and it’ll all go down the pan.


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 Post subject: Re: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
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What a cunning plan of Gordon Brown - its pure genius demanding that Opec increase the supply of oil!!! Genius!!!
Its that type of thinking that will pull us through!

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 Post subject: Re: High oil prices - Gordon Brown has a plan
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At least Germany is a bit more enlightened in looking at its own car industry rather than blaming OPEC!!

Both major German political parties support the 1000 station CNG programme (80% completed) and will hold fuel duty on CNG at EU minimum until 2020!

The German Environment Minister slags off fuel inefficient cars, pointing out that

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"At a time when China is introducing upper limits for fuel consumption and only (natural) gas-powered taxis are allowed in New Delhi, VW is rolling out a Bugatti that guzzles 100 litres of fuel,"


Full article on

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4240674.stm

Last week a German friend of mine went to the 2nd International CNG Drivers Day in Dessau, Germany, where he drove both the new VW Caddy and VW Touran EcoFuel (both fueled by CNG of course). He tells me that 'customers went crazy about seeing these two tremendous cars'.

CNG is the way to go, its a no brainer


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