THE Oceans and Seas Thread (merged)

Hermes · **Posted:** Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:06 am

Actually if I recall correctly the fishermen in Western Europe weren't going out fishing when the oil was up around $110 or so. I don't think it'll take it going up to $200 to have that effect.

alokin · **Joined:** Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:00 am **Posts:** 1213

Really? they could make fish fingers out of by catch?
So you think that the study is nonsense, because if they would release the biggest fishes into the water once again they would not survive and procreate.

vtsnowedin · **Joined:** Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:00 am **Posts:** 1394

alokin wrote:

Really? they could make fish fingers out of by catch?
So you think that the study is nonsense, because if they would release the biggest fishes into the water once again they would not survive and procreate.

Yes some of it. Now they are throwing fish that are commercial species overboard because they don't meet some rule, size usually, or the boats license doesn't include that species on that fishing ground that day. It makes no difference to the fish. Once they have been scooped up and dragged up out of two hundred feet of water then crammed into a ball in the net as they pull it on deck and suffocated from lack of water as the crew sorts out the money fish they are in pretty sad shape. Their swim bladders are broken and there eyes are popped out of their heads and even if still wiggling there ability to avoid being seagull food or lobster bait is minimal.
If a boat has a permit to put a net in the water whatever comes up in that net should be put to the best use possible. What should be controlled is how many times they put the net in the water and what grounds they can fish on.
The largest fish I ever saw caught was living in a wrecked fishing trawler in Cape Cod Bay. They wreck was a danger to draggers nets so they avoided the swath it was in and the mini reef resulting was very productive. The flat bottoms that have been repeatedly dragged are a desert by comparison.

Crazy_Dad · **Posted:** Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:08 am

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-med ... 421-1.html

I hate the Japanese government. Go SS Yarrr!

Serial_Worrier · **Joined:** Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:00 am **Posts:** 583

We'll all eat jellyfish. Or they will eat us.

dohboi · **Joined:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:00 am **Posts:** 2096

Here's an excellent, relevant recent article that Repent found and posted on a neighboring thread:

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One take away is that hotter ocean waters that global warming is creating will be less able to absorb and hold CO2. There's another amplifying feedback for you.

And on an even cheerier note:
irreversable global warming because of the inertia of oceans

bodigami · **Joined:** Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:00 am **Posts:** 2330

dohboi wrote:

Here's an excellent, relevant recent article that Repent found and posted on a neighboring thread:

link

One take away is that hotter ocean waters that global warming is creating will be less able to absorb and hold CO2. There's another amplifying feedback for you.

And on an even cheerier note:
irreversable global warming because of the inertia of oceans

gravity, thee energy to... of being part of the same alliance.

TheDude · **Posted:** Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:31 am

Desdemona Despair: Jellyfish threaten to 'dominate' oceans

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By Anna Salleh

Giant jelly fish are taking over parts of the world's oceans due to overfishing and other human activities, say researchers.

Dr Anthony Richardson of CSIRO Marine & Atmospheric Research and colleagues, report their findings in the journal Trends in Ecology and Evolution.

"We need to take management action to avert the marine systems of the world flipping over to being jellyfish dominated," says Richardson, who is also a marine biologist at the University of Queensland.

Richardson says jellyfish numbers are increasing, particularly in Southeast Asia, the Black Sea, the Gulf of Mexico and the North Sea.

He says the Japanese have a real problem with giant jellyfish that burst through fishing nets.

"[They're] a jelly fish called Nomura, which is the biggest jellyfish in the world. It can weigh 200 kilograms, as big as a sumo wrestler and is 2 metres in diameter," says Richardson.

VMarcHart · **Posted:** Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:55 am

TheDude wrote:

Desdemona Despair: Jellyfish threaten to 'dominate' oceans

I guess sooner or later the oceans will be totally useless.

dohboi · **Joined:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:00 am **Posts:** 2096

Useless might be a best case scenario. Bubbling with hydrogen sulfide, one of the most poisonous gases on earth, is a more likely scenario, according to Peter Ward's "Under a Green Sky" (the effect of lots of this gas in the atmosphere is that it would turn the sky green, if there is anyone there to see it). It also destroys the ozone layer.

dohboi · **Joined:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:00 am **Posts:** 2096

Blue Desert

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The EU now recognises that its fisheries management has been a disaster. Its green paper admits that 88% of European fish stocks are overexploited and 30% have collapsed(9). Its quota system encourages the dumping of millions of tonnes of dead fish at sea, while its efforts to reduce the fishing fleet’s capacity haven’t kept pace with technology. “In several Member States,” the paper reports, “the cost of fishing to the public budgets exceeds the total value of the catches.”(10) Last week, European fisheries ministers agreed a radical reform of the Common Fisheries policy by 2012, just in time for the extinction of the bluefin tuna.

Of course, as I have seen in Cardigan Bay, it doesn’t matter what they say they’ll do if no one is prepared to enforce it. Our marine ecosystems will continue to be ripped apart until governments stand up to the mysterious power of the fishermen.

paimei01 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:28 am

VMarcHart wrote:

TheDude wrote:

Desdemona Despair: Jellyfish threaten to 'dominate' oceans

I guess sooner or later the oceans will be totally useless.

Useless ? We need to use everything ? See my signature.
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter2-3.php

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Hunter-gatherers, who were closer to a time before generic labels, were animists who believed in the unique sacred spirit of each animal, plant, object, and process. I can imagine a time when a tree was not a tree, but a distinct individual. If it is just a tree, one among a whole forest of trees, it is no great matter to chop it down. Nothing unique is being removed from the world. But if we see it as a unique individual, sacred and irreplaceable, then we would chop it down only with great circumspection. We might, as many indigenous peoples do, meditate and pray before committing an act of such enormity. It would be an occasion for solemn ritual. Only a very worthy purpose would justify it. Now, having converted all of these unique, divine beings into just so many trees, we level entire forests with hardly a second thought.

This jellyfish invasion looks like something out of "Naussica and the valley of the wind". After a nuclear war the world was invaded by giant mushroom forests where giant insects grew. Then the movie shows how these forests transformed the toxic soil and water into clean soil and water. They were somehow a "defense mechanism" ...

VMarcHart · **Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:13 am

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Hunter-gatherers ... believed in the unique sacred spirit of each animal, plant, object, and process.

A nice code to live by even and most especially today, but then, there's something in the Homo sapien programming that made us Human colassus.

Serial_Worrier · **Joined:** Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:00 am **Posts:** 583

Giant jellyfish set to invade Japan:

http://ecoworldly.com/2009/07/30/giant- ... ade-japan/

Cabrone · **Posted:** Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:05 am

Pacific Ocean 'dead zone' in Northwest may be irreversible (LA Times)

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