2008 Hurricane / Typhoon / Cyclone Season (merged) Archived

wisconsin_cur · **Joined:** Thu May 10, 2007 12:00 am **Posts:** 4616

smallpoxgirl wrote:

Whatever. I mean the government cover up is creepy, but for God's sake....I've never seen a weather service report before that said "If you don't leave, you're facing certain death." It's hard to get much more emphatic than that. I don't like the cover up aspect, but if people stayed and died, oh well.

+1

I would just add only 300.

I turned into a bit of a naysayer after the storm passed and I still expected more, a lot more, than 300 to be dead.

mmasters · **Posted:** Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:26 am

wisconsin_cur wrote:

smallpoxgirl wrote:

Whatever. I mean the government cover up is creepy, but for God's sake....I've never seen a weather service report before that said "If you don't leave, you're facing certain death." It's hard to get much more emphatic than that. I don't like the cover up aspect, but if people stayed and died, oh well.

+1

I would just add only 300.

I turned into a bit of a naysayer after the storm passed and I still expected more, a lot more, than 300 to be dead.

Yup, over 40,000 refused to leave the coastal areas around houston and there was a 15 foot wall of water over them...

IgnoranceIsBliss · **Posted:** Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:37 pm

smallpoxgirl wrote:

Whatever. I mean the government cover up is creepy, but for God's sake....I've never seen a weather service report before that said "If you don't leave, you're facing certain death." It's hard to get much more emphatic than that. I don't like the cover up aspect, but if people stayed and died, oh well.

Thinning the herd, as my husband would say.

Harsh, but I think a lot of us are getting desensitized to these types of things as we go forward. People are going to have to start taking responsibility for themselves or face the consequences.
Unfortunately, we are going to see a lot more suffering of children because their parents make stupid choices.

What does this say about human nature? Some of us can literally be told "Do this or die" and we choose to ignore it.

pstarr · **Posted:** Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:10 pm

why did they not leave?

Maybe they had no friends off the island? Maybe they had no money to leave? Maybe they feared for their homes? Maybe they were drunk and broken and didn't give a sh*t?

But it is surely true that the destroyed and abandoned homes in the worst neighborhoods have been anointed. The rot of poverty and ignorance has been cleansed by the God's storm. The healing prophesies of the global free market are now free to bring in a New Day on Galveston. What were once blighted neighborhoods will surely glow in the Gulf sun as Lily-White McMansions grace the once blighted ghettos.

Praise Disaster Capitalism.

ReverseEngineer · **Joined:** Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:00 am **Posts:** 3584

pstarr wrote:

why did they not leave?

Maybe they had no friends off the island? Maybe they had no money to leave? Maybe they feared for their homes?

Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide.

You know, if somebody told someone who owned a $1M Ranch in Idaho that a Wildfire was coming and would consume his home and property and 5 years worth of split wood and food and Propane, would he LEAVE that property? Heck no, he would get out there and fight the fire until he was consumed himself by it.

The folks on Galveston Island who did not leave had Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide. The ripple effect of this wave is travelling ever outward, and we ALL have nowhere left to run, nowhere to hide.

Those with large investments in the markets have been scrambling for months looking for some safe haven for their wealth. Last week Commodities, this week T-Bills. Except of course ALL of these asset classes are WORTHLESS now.

Abandon your home today, you are destined for the Human Waste recycling plant in San Antonio. The Gooberment cannot afford to provide FEMA trailers to all of you. The folks in Galveston made the CHOICE to Stay where they Lay. As was said in the Last of the Mohicans:

"#1) Whoever they are, though they are strangers, they are at least entitled to a Christian burial. They cannot be left behind.
#2) Let us go miss.
#1) I will not. I’ve seen the face of war before, sir, but i have not seen it waged on women and children — almost as cruel as your indifference.
#2) Miss Monroe, they are not strangers…and they stay as they lay.

And yes one more prophetic quote from James Fenimore Cooper

"My father’s people say that at the birth of the sun and of his brother the moon, their mother died. So the sun gave to the earth her body, from which was to spring all life. And he drew forth from her breast the stars, and the stars he threw into the night sky to remind him of her soul. So there’s the Cameron’s monument. My folks’ too, I guess.
You are right, Mr. Poe. We do not understand what is happening here. And it’s not as I imagined it would be, thinking of it in Boston and in London.
Sorry to disappoint you.
No, on the contrary. It is more deeply stirring to my blood than any imagining could possibly have been.

Someday you and i are going to have a serious disagreement

Stay alive–no matter what occurs–I will find you

The French haven’t the nature for war.

The frontier moves with the sun, and pushes the red man out of these wilderness forests, in front of it…until one day there will be nowhere left. Then our race will be no more.

The whole world’s so vile.

The whole worlds on fire."

Yes indeed, the whole world is on fire now. That is YOUR monument out there also, like the Cameron's. The sun and the stars in our universe. Those are the bright lights of the spirits that bring light unto the world.

Reverse Engineer

smallpoxgirl · **Joined:** Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:00 am **Posts:** 7742

ReverseEngineer wrote:

Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide.

You know, if somebody told someone who owned a $1M Ranch in Idaho that a Wildfire was coming and would consume his home and property and 5 years worth of split wood and food and Propane, would he LEAVE that property? Heck no, he would get out there and fight the fire until he was consumed himself by it.

I am a BIG believer that the forest service should NOT fight fires in wilderness. If you decide your stuff is more important than your life, fine. I'm not advocating the national guard coming to drag you out before the storm. If you knowingly choose to risk your life, and die, why is that my concern? Is this like how I'm supposed to feel sorry for the poor bankers that were playing derivative roulette and got burned? Cry me a river.

harrybuckman · **Joined:** Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:00 am **Posts:** 16

I though Galveston was all fix up by now, and only 19 people died. I haven't seen anything on the news about it, I though ike wasn't as bad a expected. More than 19 people die in some soccer arena celebrations.

I can't even stand to watch the news anymore, I don't believe any of it.

TheDude · **Posted:** Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:41 pm

Tropical storm Marco forms near Mexico oil fields

Quote:

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Tropical Storm Marco formed on Monday in the southern Gulf of Mexico in the vicinity of Mexico's main oil production facilities but the country's three main oil exporting ports remained open.

The small 100 km (60 mile) diameter storm, which brewed up quickly on Monday, was 185 km (115 miles) east of the city of Veracruz as of 1800 GMT, the U.S. National Hurricane Center said.

Marco could possibly reach hurricane strength before making an expected landfall late on Monday or early Tuesday morning.

The Mexican government has issued a hurricane watch for the country's eastern coast between Cabo Rojo and Veracruz, the NHC said.

State oil company Pemex had no immediate comment on the possible impact the storm had on its operations. The Mexican government reported that all three main oil exporting ports on the Gulf of Mexico were open as of Monday afternoon.

Mexico reduced oil production by 250,000 barrels per day on September 24 due to refinery outages in the United States caused by Hurricane Ike. Weather-related disruptions to shipping have prevented state oil company Pemex from boosting output since then.

Jeff Masters commented on the remarkable rapidity Marco showed going from TD to TS. I don't think he'll impact operations at Cantarell etc. - perhaps some fields are in his path, though.

TheDude · **Posted:** Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:16 pm

Tropical storm forms in eastern Caribbean

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(CNN) -- Tropical Storm Omar formed Tuesday in the eastern Caribbean Sea with top winds of 40 mph, according to the National Hurricane Center in Miami, Florida.

The storm's center is about 125 miles north of Curacao, an island in the Netherlands Antilles off the coast of Venezuela, the hurricane center reported in its 11 a.m. ET advisory.

Tropical storm warnings have been issued for Puerto Rico, the U.S. and British Virgin Islands, and the extreme eastern portion of the Dominican Republic.

Headed NE.

dohboi · **Joined:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:00 am **Posts:** 2096

So are we out of the woods yet? If this one is going to be fish food, will there be any more threats to the Gulf or the Eastern Sea Board?

DantesPeak · **Posted:** Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:26 am

Quote:

OCTOBER 16, 2008, 4:40 A.M. ET
Hurricane Omar Hits Virgin Islands; Refinery Shut

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AFP)--Hurricane Omar pounded the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico with lashing rain and 125 mile-per-hour winds on Thursday after strengthening into a major category three storm.

Quickening its pace along a northeasterly track, Omar veered away from San Juan as it headed out to open water with its center about 55 miles (90 kilometers) northwest of St. Martin at 0700 GMT, the U.S. National Hurricane Center said.

Officials warned of possible fatalities with forecasters saying Omar could rain up to 20 inches (50 centimeters) as it churned across the Northern Leeward Islands and the Virgin Islands.

"These rains could produce life-threatening flash floods and mudslides," read a warning from the NHC.

Omar sent the U.S. and British Virgin Islands into lock-down, after the storm upgraded late Wednesday to a category three on the Saffir-Simpson scale of one to five which measures the potential damage and flooding a hurricane might cause upon landfall.

Particular areas of concern were the coastlines of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, where massive wave surges of four to six feet (1.2-1.8 meters) above normal were predicted.

An oil refinery on St. Croix in the U.S. Virgin Islands shut down most of its 500,000 barrels a day operations in advance of the storm, "except those necessary to maintain power supply in the complex," spokesman Alex Moorhead said.

The area around the refinery was closed by the U.S. Coast Guard on Tuesday, and would remain shut until further notice, he said. The refinery is owned by Hess Corp. (HES)and Venezuela's state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela.

"Once Hurricane Omar has passed, we will conduct an inspection of our facilities as soon as it is safe to do so. If no damage is found that would impact safe operation of the refinery, the startup of processing units will begin in sequential order," Moorhead said.

WSJ

eastbay · **Posted:** Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:56 pm

The NHC just painted this new low pressure area ORANGE !!

We may have another storm developing.

RSFB · **Joined:** Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:00 am **Posts:** 313

eastbay wrote:

The NHC just painted this new low pressure area ORANGE !!

We may have another storm developing.

It has now changed to red (> 50% probability of development), and NHC posted the following notice:

Quote:

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

1. A BROAD AREA OF LOW PRESSURE IS CENTERED OVER THE SOUTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA ABOUT 125 MILES SOUTHEAST OF CABO GRACIAS A DIOS ON THE BORDER OF NICARAGUA AND HONDURAS. THIS SYSTEM IS GRADUALLY BECOMING BETTER ORGANIZED...AND IT COULD BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION DURING THE NEXT DAY OR TWO AS IT MOVES SLOWLY TO THE NORTH-NORTHWEST OR NORTH. AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT IS SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THE SYSTEM LATER TODAY...IF NECESSARY.

TheDude · **Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:21 am

Tropical Storm Paloma

Quote:

The track forecast
A strong trough of low pressure approaching the U.S. East Coast is pulling Paloma to the north, and this trough should continue to pull the storm northwards and then turn it northeastward by Saturday. Several major models--the NOGAPS, GFS, and ECMWF--predict that Paloma will be torn in two by the wind shear just south of Cuba, with the low level remnants getting forced westward towards the Yucatan Peninsula. This solution seems unlikely, given the fact that Paloma is likely to grow much stronger and more resistant to wind shear than these models are predicting. I expect Paloma will follow the track of the GFDL, HWRF, and GFS models, which show the storm may pass very close to Grand Cayman Island on Saturday, then make landfall in southern Cuba on Sunday and continue on through the central Bahamas.

TheDude · **Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:27 am

Tropical Storm Paloma

Quote:

The track forecast
A strong trough of low pressure approaching the U.S. East Coast is pulling Paloma to the north, and this trough should continue to pull the storm northwards and then turn it northeastward by Saturday. Several major models--the NOGAPS, GFS, and ECMWF--predict that Paloma will be torn in two by the wind shear just south of Cuba, with the low level remnants getting forced westward towards the Yucatan Peninsula. This solution seems unlikely, given the fact that Paloma is likely to grow much stronger and more resistant to wind shear than these models are predicting. I expect Paloma will follow the track of the GFDL, HWRF, and GFS models, which show the storm may pass very close to Grand Cayman Island on Saturday, then make landfall in southern Cuba on Sunday and continue on through the central Bahamas.

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