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Pope Francis ‘urges parents to have fewer children to stop over-population of the world’

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The Pope wants couples to have fewer children in order to lessen the environmental damage being done to the planet, a Vatican panel has been told.

Environmentalist Peter Raven made the comment at a workshop on biodiversity, which discussed Catholic Church attitudes toward environmental issues.

Pope Francis has previously said avoiding pregnancy is not an ‘absolute evil’, but the church remains unwavering in its opposition to artificial birth control.

Pope Francis has previously stated that avoiding pregnancy 'is not an absolute evil'

Pope Francis has previously stated that avoiding pregnancy ‘is not an absolute evil’

Dr Raven stated, LifeSiteNews reports: ‘Pope Francis has urged us to have fewer children to make the world more sustainable.’

But he continued: ‘We do not endorse any of the artificial birth control [methods] that the Church does not endorse.’

Dr Raven stated, according to the site’s account of the workshop, that ‘we need a more limited number of people in the world’.

At the same Biological Extinction workshop, a paper was presented by Dr Paul Ehrlich, who argued that Catholic teachings had resulted in ‘collective failure’ to reduce the world’s population.

Dr Peter Raven told a Vatican panel that the pope wants people to have fewer children in order to lessen the damage being done to the planet

Dr Peter Raven told a Vatican panel that the pope wants people to have fewer children in order to lessen the damage being done to the planet

In a press conference onboard a flight last year, Pope Francis said abortion is a crime and ‘absolutely evil’, but he added: ‘Paul VI, a great man, in a difficult situation in Africa, permitted nuns to use contraceptives in cases of rape.’

He later stated that ‘avoiding pregnancy is not an absolute evil’.

The Pope said: ‘In certain cases, as in this one, or in the one I mentioned of Blessed Paul VI, it was clear.’

Following Pope Francis’ remarks, Dr Melissa Moschella, a philosophy professor at The Catholic University of America, told the Catholic News Agency this did not amount to a change in policy.

She said that for Catholics, sex is an act in a relationship that would be fulfilled by having children together, but added: ‘In the case of rape, there has been no voluntary sex act on the part of the woman.’

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35 Comments on "Pope Francis ‘urges parents to have fewer children to stop over-population of the world’"

  1. Hello on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 12:00 pm 

    Tell that to the rag head fucks.

  2. onlooker on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 12:21 pm 

    Too bad for so long you were telling people to be fruitful and multiply and do not use contraceptives

  3. Boat on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 12:39 pm 

    Now the Pope needs to take that message to every politicion and religious leader he meets.

  4. ________________________________________ on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 12:44 pm 

    What needs to be done is a licence to breed. There needs to be a genetic, intelligence and athletic test. The bottom 90% of males need to be sterilized. And the ugliest females.

  5. Cloggie on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 12:47 pm 

    Dr Raven stated, LifeSiteNews reports: ‘Pope Francis has urged us to have fewer children to make the world more sustainable.’

    But he continued: ‘We do not endorse any of the artificial birth control [methods] that the Church does not endorse.’

    Meaningless appeal then.

    And more in general: if the pope does not engage in the “sport” himself, why then does he interfere with the rules?

  6. BobInget on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 1:07 pm 

    ________________________________________________ Genuine
    Fascists are far more devious. Nice try though.

  7. q on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 1:08 pm 

    Too late.

  8. GregT on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 2:57 pm 

    “Now the Pope needs to take that message to every politicion and religious leader he meets.”

    Still haven’t quite figured out how to use a spellchecker Boat? Not the least bit surprising.

  9. joe on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 4:18 pm 

    Should have said that about 6,000,000,000 people ago.

  10. Kenz300 on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 4:21 pm 

    If you can not provide for yourself you can not provide for a child.

    Endless population growth is not sustainable.

    Climate Change, rising sea levels, over fishing, resource depletion, poverty, suffering and despair are all related to problems caused by over population.

  11. Sissyfuss on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 4:41 pm 

    Catholicism worked until it didn’t. This Pope is more realistic than any of the others but the basic philosophy belongs to an era when the infant mortality rate was much higher and the priests were much hornier.

  12. Midnight Oil on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 5:47 pm 

    Hmmm, maybe the Pope should tell all those faithful that oral sex is spiritual, but don’t swallow…
    Listen…it’s farrr too late to change the outcome of hitting a brick wall.What difference will it make?
    The Church is still hung up on the pro life campaign.

  13. makati1 on Sun, 5th Mar 2017 6:42 pm 

    Religions that promote big families:

    Islam 3.1 births per woman.
    Catholic 2.7 b/w.
    Hindu 2.4 b/w
    Jew 2.3
    World average 1.1 b/w WIKI

    Poverty is a huge promoter because of infant deaths and the chance of a child living long enough to take care of their parents in old age. Security in numbers. We can blame poverty on the 1% who try to keep them in that condition. Nothing will change until all suffer the same fate. Be patient.

  14. Davy on Mon, 6th Mar 2017 4:40 am 

    Catholicism strength is where small perishes are combine with schools. The school and the kids become the focus of this small community. The perish then becomes a community focused on the education of the children. The community must pull together to fund these activities with both money and time. That builds bonds of loyalty and friendship. The education may be skydaddy but the kids do learn to be good community members. This is a blue print for the future of a declining civilization in regards to what small communities of likeminded individuals can do. I do not admire the hierarchical dimension of the Catholic organization especially what we see in Rome but at the bottom there is real strength.

    You may be down on children because you are an old white man or see children bad because of overpopulation. Old men need to look in the mirror because where is their reason to be alive. We have too many old people as well as children. In the likely coming die off there will continue to be children. There will be less old people. A community is based on a balanced amount of both. We no longer live in communities necessarily. Many live disjointed lives unconnected to others in community. This will not last and is an example of peak civilization where community is lost and the individual has made his place as he wishes.

  15. penury on Mon, 6th Mar 2017 10:03 am 

    Daveym it may have been a Freudian slip, but perhaps just the truth wanting out “perish” or parish both seem apropo to me.

  16. Apneaman on Mon, 6th Mar 2017 12:06 pm 

    What about sodomy? No no, not with a man – I know what the bible says about that. I mean with the wife. Is there anything in the bible that says, front hole fucking only for married people? Blow jobs and sodomy (and in that order unless she’s real nasty) there’s your solution.

  17. Thomas on Mon, 6th Mar 2017 1:50 pm 

    What a revolution! I love pope Francis : modern, open minded and realistic about the Earth condition. Hope this message will trigger a global realization of the overpopulation of Earth.

    Earth can sustain 1 to 2 billion inhabitants permantently. not more.

  18. GregT on Mon, 6th Mar 2017 2:06 pm 

    “Earth can sustain 1 to 2 billion inhabitants permantently. not more.”

    We are currently adding 1 billion more people to the planet every 12 1/2 years. If The Pope has any chance of turning things around, he would be more realistic if he supported nuclear war.

  19. Kenz300 on Tue, 7th Mar 2017 1:37 am 

    Having a child that you can not provide for only leads to more poverty, suffering and despair.

    Get it snipped, wrap it up .

  20. Theedrich on Tue, 7th Mar 2017 5:22 am 

    The Catholic Church has gone schizophrenic. The upper hierarchy (pope, cardinals, higher prelates, theologians, philosophers, etc.) knows all about modern Biblical research.  It consequently knows that the entire historical foundation of Judeo-Christianity, from Genesis on to the Apocalypse, is either myth, ancient propaganda, or wildly misinterpreted.  Ever since the “Ecumenical” council of Vatican II (1962-65), after which it also kicked out Latin as its official language, the Church has been trying to reconfigure itself into a neo-Marxist, “green,” social agency with a nostalgic religious tinge.  Papa Frank’s recent encyclical, “Laudato Si’,” is just the latest outgassing in this effort.  The Catholic Church of ages past is dead and gone, and only the vapors of that religion are still floating around in World No. 1.  In Europe, the age-old churches are mainly museums, visited by tourists from abroad.  In the U.S., the paying parishoners are mainly older people or affluent but religiously ignorant types who have no idea of the theological cataclysm which has ended the Catholicism of old.  As Nietzsche made clear in the late nineteenth century, the emphasis on “truth” which had always been the theoretical mainstay of Christianity has finally, through science, undermined all faith in that religion.  Frank is trying to have his cake and eat it too, by being coy about parents having fewer children (but not using contraception to achieve that end — lest his hypocrisy be completely exposed).  And his preaching targets mainly Whites who overdose on religious fantasies.

    As an example, Italy, the former homeland of the Church, has now gone into a demographic death spiral.  Ditto France.  And, in fact, all of Europe.  The ensuing vacuum is being rapidly filled by the barbarian theocracy of Allahland.  Muammar Gaddafi’s prophecy is coming true:  by 2050, Europe will be Mohammedan.

    With the disappearance of this religious cultural foundation, the self-congratulating proponents of European democracy will soon wither on the vine.  They are already making excuses for their own suicide.  Once the raison d’être of a society is gone, nothing can keep that society alive very much longer.  All of the blather about equal rights, religious tolerance, and other “Western values” (cf. the drivel from the German politicoes about their Leitkultur) will soon be gone with the wind.

    If anything is left, it will be only the iron fist of the Russians which will prevent the total eclipse of the White race.

  21. Cloggie on Tue, 7th Mar 2017 5:44 am 

    If anything is left, it will be only the iron fist of the Russians which will prevent the total eclipse of the White race.

    BBC African visits Russia and gets “scared” from the nationalist sentiments there, used as he is to buttersoft Anglos.

    Nevertheless he claims that it is “good” that the Russians are proud of their heritage, but that there are wrong in claiming their country for themselves alone. Apparently he already claims Russia for African cohabitation. After all they will need to store their 4 billion somewhere by the end of this century.

    I’m less pessimistic about the situation than Theedrich is; in fact the demographic situation is worse in the US and now even European-Americans, otherwise the loyal servants of the Sanhedrin, seem to have grown a pair and drew a line in the sand and soon will break up the country.

    In Europe a far milder demographic balance is already causing a lot of electoral turmoil, with France probably being the first in breaking the post-1945 ranks.

    But as Theedrich indicates, Christianity is the main cause of our demise, enhanced by the satanic Frankfurter Schule, an extreme secular variant of Christianity, that now dominates Western “thought”.

  22. Davy on Tue, 7th Mar 2017 6:27 am 

    You guys are hopelessly lost in your religion and racism and fail to see we are a civilization in collapse. We are one civilization and it is an adaptive self-organizing one that has gone global. Your ideologies and ethnicities are secondary. We entered into a global relationship over multiple years in the competitive cooperation of increasing affluence that came from material growth. We are now in a paradigm shift of decline and overshoot of our planetary system. You both want to project your human exceptionalism with 20th century historical context that is irrelevant today. You want to disregard an interconnected global economy that cannot decouple into 20th century elements without a required collapse. If at any point the bond of globalism is broken the high level of complexity achieved in some areas will be destroyed quickly. Global finance and just in time global production, monocultures of food, and sourcing foundational resources will be shattered. There is no turning back and using the past to describe the future is useless to the problems at hand.

    The best we can do is try to cooperate where we can to stave off a certain eventual civilizational failure. All civilizations fail eventually and all species die off eventually. Why should we be different? From our point of view though these great timeframes of civilizational failures and species extinction are not what is at hand. In our human world it is about a process over time that will be lived in that is a much smaller scale. Our cooperative competition is now increasingly nationalistic competition. This will lead to an existential crisis of globalism at some point. At that point we may be enlightened to the fact we can continue the self-destruction into a much lower complexity civilization or we can try to manage a collapse as much as a collapse can be managed to maintain a degree of affluence in a declining gradient of collapse.

    Collapse is random and dysfunctional decay. The best that can be done is adapt and mitigate to this irrational decline and decay. That means acknowledging the end of growth and changing attitudes and lifestyles accordingly. We are going to increasingly be in the realm of the irrational. Our society is already delusional with our exceptionalism of manifest destiny of human progress. We still are deluded by techno optimism when technology has clearly been the root cause of our overshoot. We still have the destructiveness of racism and religion to add to that. It will only be in the wisdom of decline and decay that we will extend out our status quo. Without the status quo a severe die off will occur. This is about putting off the day of reckoning not preventing it.

    Even if we find wisdom in collapse a rebalance of population is inevitable. A stagflation of our economy is already pointing to this. We are stalling out on producing needed economic support at the same time population is still exploding at 80MIL a year. This is clearly not sustainable. Much of humanity is in fog and it will only be in a crisis this fog lifts somewhat. A crisis will surely mean tragic death and dislocation. We are already seeing it with peak everything just imagine what will occur when we are dropping in affluence everywhere. This pain and suffering can be made much worse by poor human decisions. The choice is ours with a possible manageable collapse of an apocalyptic collapse.

  23. Theedrich on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 3:53 am 

    Davy opines, “We still have the destructiveness of racism and religion to add to that.”

    “Racism” is simply the wish to avoid extinction perpetrated by the nihilist left.  Sorry, Davy, but the “destructiveness” is caused by the invading ThirdWorld savages and the twisted oligarchs (Sörös and crowd) who fantasize that imported parasites will produce a global “kumbayah” of love and harmony.  Not going to happen.  Utopians such as Stalin and Mao Tze-Tung have shown us just where such anti-“capitalist” strategies lead, and tyrantess Angela Merkel, who throws 10,000 Germans a year into prison for political incorrectitude, follows the same path.  The utopians want the utter destruction of the White race as the first step in their move to establish Papa Frank’s delusional “world political authority.”

    The Negroids, Sand Negroes and other leeches expect to take over Whiteland shortly, with the help of anti-Trumpists everywhere.

  24. Davy on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 4:56 am 

    Racism is not a valid argument scientifically because who are we to say what is fully human or best of human? Thee, you are a white of European descent I presume. Why are you better? Who established those standards? Sounds like you are. That is the fox guarding the hen house. There is more to life than your standards of IQ and what not. Genius is what got us to a die off because humans are not capable of proper wisdom in regards to planetary harmony when they rise above a certain intellectual standard. We need a standard on how people have destroyed the world through their development and colonization of the rest of the world. Bingo, white Europeans are it. I am one too so I can blame myself thank you.

    You racist have some good points too. Globalism was a mistake. We should not have mixed races and cultures on the scale we have. We just made a nasty homogenous porridge of poor human standards. We became invasive species with ourselves overtaking local ecosystems (economies and cultures). Races should have good fences and respect for each other. Europeans and especially the Anglosphere hypocrites are the worst pre Pax Americana. The worst are the English, Dutch, and Spanish for exploitation and cultural destruction from an earlier time. The worst most recently is the US and how we pushed globalism that was the final nail in the coffin of our planetary system. Now it is the Asians to mop up what is left.

    No, Thee, Whites need to be lynched for their sins against the earth not held up in praise. That said we need to get past skin color and culture and make arrangements for the die off ahead. When the posse of horsemen come to reap and judge then what will race, color, and religion matter? They are not going to matter one bit and shouldn’t. In natures eyes we were all created equal when it comes time to die.

  25. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 5:17 am 

    Racism is not a valid argument scientifically because who are we to say what is fully human or best of human? Thee, you are a white of European descent I presume. Why are you better?

    History is little more than the tale of war fare between ethnic groups. Only an American with hopes that he could unite the entire world under the same star-strangled banner could deny that.

    Perhaps that my one-percenter friends Davy and Greg, who profess so much to be in Chief Seattle and his ramblings, that turned out to be written by a New England libtard to upgrade the little warrior in his own image, would consider the words of a white Chief Seattle:

    What’s this fascination with the word “racism” anyway, invented by or at least one of the first to use it, by the butcher of Russia, Leon Trotsky.

    Trotsky was busy trying to reconfigure the entire world under economic egalitarian principles, but he already understood that anti-racism was another egalitarian principle with which an attempt could be undertaken to achieve the same objective: the world into the hands of the Self-Chosen. The world has seen two different flavors of communism in the 20th century:

    USSR – economic egalitarianism
    USA – racial egalitarianism

    Both are going to fail, thank God.

    And Davy, if you don’t understand the difference in potential between the European world and the African or Muslim world, you really need new glasses.

    The potential of European man is the stars.
    The potential of African man is a wooden penis shaft.
    The potential of Muslim man is the kashba.

  26. Davy on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 5:44 am 

    Clog, you still did not prove anything. You are still imposing your values. How is that scientific? Sorry, using your standards you may be right with your point of view of human complexity but who says and where is it written that these standards you hold so high are the right ones? What is the end goal? I stand with nature and yea, Chief Seattle and Big Soldier. Your potential of the stars has ruined our extraordinary planetary ecosystem that developed post ice age. This ecosystem premodern could generate a quality of life and sustenance that this European potential could never dream of. Europeans are destroyers that is plainly evident by history and science in relation to nature’s potential. European culture is not resilient nor sustainable per epochal cycles. That human level of the pre modern was resilient to change if we go into another ice age or hot house because of numbers and adaptability of their ecological footprint.

    Clog, you are just a racist who fails to see the shit your Europeans left behind getting to your European potential. I chose to stand by my position that man’s development should have remained pre-modern at the level of hunter gathers. I say this in the context of humans in relation to the ecosystem in sustainability and likelihood of our species avoiding extinction. Human extinction will likely happen at some point. That is something hard to argue with per science. It is pre-modern humans that were at a much better level of harmony in numbers and foot print with nature that if left at that level would likely have continued longest on this earth. We will never know will we, but kind of obvious in my book considering the planetary system is in decline and localized failure. You chose to not see that but I am honest and honest per science. I am not a denier of destruction. That is a no brainer in my book. The quickest road to extinction is the path the European potential has taken us. I could give a shit about Muslims who are much the same as Europeans. They too are hell bent on destroying the natural world for a skydaddy. Throw in the Jews in with the group and the dumbass Chinese. Fuck the whole bunch as far as nature is concerned. For the dumbass anti-Americans, yea, Americans are just all of the above so yea throw them in so you don’t get your panties in a wad.

  27. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 6:48 am 

    Clog, you still did not prove anything.

    More Eurosphere alliance building between continental Europe and Heartland-USA (Denver, Colorado):

    The 21st century will be a world of “Great Civilizations”, as they will be called in diplomatic circles.

    Samuel Huntington will be closest to the truth of the 21st century. Here his (amended) map:

    Eurosphere will be dominated by four great nations, from left to right: the Amerikaner nation (Mississippi basin), France, Germany and Russia.

    These things can’t proven, they can only be forefelt by intuition.

  28. GregT on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 9:28 am 

    “The potential of European man is the stars.”

    The potential of European man is dreaming of going to the stars, while destroying the one and only planet that he will ever have to call home, in his self centred futile attempts to realize that dream.

    In reality, that dream is about to become a nightmare for European man, as it already has for every other race that European man has come into contact with. European man is an evolutionary dead end.

  29. Apneaman on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 9:30 am 

    hair clog, is the Chief Seattle anecdote all you have? I just ask because you have mentioned it hundreds of times. All you got huh? Is it supposed to prove something? Is that what passes for logic and scientific evidence of your fantasy position? So some libtard lied once? You know what that “proves”? That some libtard lied once and that’s it and nothing more. False comparisons are one of the cheapest rhetorical tricks in the book. The stuff of amateurs, which is all you are even after 70 years of practice.

    Let me do your false comparison one better.

    Doesn’t your Chief Seattle anecdote prove that all white men are liars?

    Is it true what they say about dishonesty hair clog… gets easier the more you do it?

    Dishonesty gets easier on the brain the more you do it

  30. Apneaman on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 9:32 am 

    Most people don’t know climate change is entirely human-made

    I blame the Germans

  31. joe on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 9:32 am 

    Cloggie that looks like you drew it, ha ha ha!

  32. joe on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 9:35 am 

    All this blaming Europeans, Europeans are not to blame, North Korea and Iran, Pakistan and India etc all have nukes or space programmes and their people live in rags and are terrorists. Stupid folly is a human problem, not a euro one

  33. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 9:48 am 

    European man is an evolutionary dead end.

    You must be speaking for yourself.

    Doesn’t your Chief Seattle anecdote prove that all white men are liars?

    No, only libtards from New England, Vancouver and Sweden:

  34. GregT on Wed, 8th Mar 2017 10:50 am 

    “You must be speaking for yourself.”

    Actually Cloggie, I opted out of my former life for very good reasons. If I knew before what I know now, I would have done so a very long time ago. Not that it’ll make any difference in the big scheme of things now, but at least I can sleep a little better at night.

  35. dooma on Thu, 9th Mar 2017 1:31 am 

    The world needs one less Pope.

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