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Human Overpopulation


In the 21st century, humanity’s prolific ability toward exponential procreation guarantees human misery, suffering, starvation and environmental destruction on a level unknown in the past 10 centuries.

At 7.3 billion people in 2015, and adding 1 billion every 12 years–the human race expects to add 3.1 billion within 35 years to reach between 10.1 billion and 11 billion by 2050.

Humans don’t understand their predicament. They ignore the mounting environmental signs of a degrading planet. They discount that 10 million children and 8 million adults starve to death annually. They dodge harsh realities such as water shortages in states like California and countries like Mexico. Humans completely ignore that 100 species suffer extinction 24.7. Humans evade the fact that our oceans face accelerated warming of their waters via carbon footprint—from our accelerating burning of fossil fuels.

Humans cannot understand nor do they care about such anomalies as the 100 million tons of plastic in the “Great Pacific Garbage Patch”, the size of Texas and floating around the Pacific Ocean—killing millions of marine creatures annually. They evade any understanding of the consequences of killing 100,000,000 (million) sharks annually for the past 30 years. The fact that two billion humans cannot secure a clean glass of drinking water daily—never bothers the rest of humanity that still enjoys clean drinking water.

Rivers like the Mississippi, Ganges, Yangtze and others sport 10,000 to 20,000 square mile dead zones from so much toxic water pouring into the world’s oceans—doesn’t faze leaders of countries. Fukushima’s radiated waters now flow throughout the world as it contaminates marine life and vegetation that we eat—but the press buries any mention of the consequences.

Humans cannot or will not comprehend their dilemma as to shortages coming as to food, water and resources. Humanity’s mega-overpopulated cities like Tokyo, Mexico City, Los Angeles, Paris, Beijing and dozens more—never stop to think what will happen when oil exhausts itself. Once oil vanishes, and it will be exhausted in this century, humans do not possess any replacement as versatile or plentiful and non-polluting to fill the tractors to cultivate the crops to feed the masses.

“The cheap oil age created an artificial bubble of plentitude for a period not much longer than a human lifetime….so I hazard to assert that as oil ceases to be cheap and the world reserves move toward depletion, we will be left with an enormous population…that the ecology of the earth will not support. The journey back toward non-oil population homeostasis will not be pretty. We will discover the hard way that population hyper growth was simply a side-effect of the oil age. It was a condition, not a problem with a solution. That is what happened and we are stuck with it.” James Howard Kunstler, The Long Emergency

My research shows over a dozen quotes repeating the same thing. As oil exhausts, its price will rise to $20.00 a gallon, which will change everything in industrial societies. Ironically, as we grow another three billion people in 35 years, we exhaust more carbon that destroys the balancing systems of the planet—to destabilize the planet’s ability to maintain life.

If we think we can escape the oil dilemma, we will not avoid the water shortages.

“Water is essential for all dimensions of life. Over the past few decades, use of water has increased, and in many places water availability is falling to crisis levels. More than eighty countries, with forty percent of the world’s population, are already facing water shortages, while by year 2020 the world’s population will double. The costs of water infrastructure have risen dramatically. The quality of water in rivers and underground has deteriorated, due to pollution by waste and contaminants from cities, industry and agriculture. Ecosystems are being destroyed, sometimes permanently. Over one billion people lack safe water, and three billion lack sanitation; eighty per cent of infectious diseases are waterborne, killing millions of children each year.” US EPA

Yet, you won’t hear a peep out of world leaders as to the accelerating water shortage predicament.

As human numbers explode, the rest of the natural world faces human encroachment that slaughters hundreds of thousands and into the millions of species into extinction:

Upwards of two hundred species…mostly of the large, slow-breeding variety…are becoming extinct here every day because more and more of the earth’s carrying capacity is systematically being converted into human carrying capacity. These species are being burnt out, starved out, and squeezed out of existence. Thanks to technologies that most people, I’m afraid, think of as technologies of peace. I hope it will not be too long before the technologies that support our population explosion begin to be perceived as no less hazardous to the future of life on this planet than the endless production of radioactive wastes.” Daniel Quinn

Every continent, every ocean and every spec of air on this planet faces the devastating onslaught of the human race. Very few humans speak up. All the worldwide media suppress any discussion of human overpopulation. The Catholic Church and Islamic Church along with Hindus and more—actually encourage more human population. They work against birth control and family planning. They prefer illiteracy and more babies, which leads to more poverty and greater damage to Earth’s eco-systems.

Religious leaders and political heads of state promote “cognitive dissonance” or “intellectual denial of reality.” The same holds true for the American, Canadian, European, Indian, Chinese and Australian media. World leaders shun any mention of what we face.

However, reality will not ignore humans much longer. As water and gasoline exhaust themselves, if you think the European onslaught of refugees from Africa and the Middle East worsens in 2015—think what we all face with 50 million refugees migrating toward Western countries in the coming decades. (Source: UN Refugee Projections)

Nobel Laureate Dr. Henry W. Kendall said, “If we don’t halt population growth with justice and compassion, it will be done for us by nature, brutally and without pity – and will leave a ravaged world.”

Reality: this “population thing” bears down on all of us faster than anyone realizes. We either take steps to stop it or we become victims, especially our children.

So what can you do as an individual?

· Spread, share, and distribute this column all over Facebook, Google, LinkedIn, Digg, Stumbleupon and other outlets.

· Help create a discussion in your community by LTE at your local newspaper. Advise your TV stations to interview experts on overpopulation.

· Spread the two Roy Beck videos to all your networks so they can see “visually” what we face and what we must do to create a national discussion, debate and solutions.

· Push for a total “Immigration Shutdown Now” of all immigration into the USA—to create debate.

· Write or call your Congressional reps to demand a national discussion and shutdown of immigration.

We must force Congress into an “Immigration Shutdown Now!”

Share these videos all over America:

In a five minute astoundingly simple yet brilliant video, “Immigration, Poverty, and Gum Balls”, Roy Beck, director of www.numbersusa.ORG, graphically illustrates the impact of overpopulation. Take five minutes to see for yourself:

“Immigration by the numbers—off the chart” by Roy Beck

This 10 minute demonstration shows Americans the results of unending mass immigration on the quality of life and sustainability for future generations: in a few words, “Mind boggling!”

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51 Comments on "Human Overpopulation"

  1. BC on Wed, 30th Sep 2015 10:24 pm 

    To the esteemed regular participants of this site, please forgive the redundancy, but there might be a precious few new visitors to the site who will benefit from the following:

    Yes, I know, the vast majority of us will be offended, perturbed, angered, and even enraged by the foregoing. Count to ten, take ten to twenty deep breaths, go for a walk, and then resolve with good intention to revisit the foregoing ten times while breathing normally to consider, and hopefully, internalize the information.

  2. makati1 on Wed, 30th Sep 2015 10:25 pm 

    The world has been ‘over populated’ since the 1800s if 1-2 billion is it’s long term carrying capacity. We passed 1.5 billion in 1900. After that it was all down hill as far as the world’s ability to sustain us. So,the above article is a waste of time. We don’t have 100+ years to get back to those low numbers. Maybe not even 10. Or one. We have killed off, and are continuing to kill off at a faster and faster rate, the of the supporting ecology we need to survive.

  3. BC on Wed, 30th Sep 2015 10:39 pm

    Harari is brilliant, and his presentation flows remarkably fluidly and presciently. Granted, the talk is long, but I highly recommend it to those so intellectually inclined to experience his narrative.

    I would also suggest to watch for the young feminist questioners after the talk who seem eager, even desperate, to affirm their biases, even though I suspect personally that a kind of austere, ascetic, monastic, martial (Zen-Bushido-like) zeitgeist will emerge in the coming years, relegating contemporary females, particularly bourgeois females of all sexual persuasions, to roles they will not find palatable.

    But I could be wrong about that. 😀

  4. BC on Wed, 30th Sep 2015 10:43 pm

    Mak, at the risk of sounding like a sycophant, right again. 🙂

  5. idontknowmyself on Wed, 30th Sep 2015 10:47 pm 

    A couple of things to keep in mind about overpopulation that is rarely mentioned.

    Overpopulation change the behaviour of younger generation, it was called Behavioral sink

  6. apneaman on Wed, 30th Sep 2015 11:18 pm 

    BC, you are not wrong. Many of them will do it voluntarily for basic physical protection in the harsher world that is coming. The experiment will be over soon enough. I doubt it will be exactly like it was before as cultural attitudes will not do a 180 overnight, but it’s coming. Yes ladies we know you are smart and can do all sorts of things just as good as men, but I’m afraid that the energy slaves that made it possible are dwindling and we are going back to a more natural state of affairs. The one thing in this whole women’s labour/professional/feminist movement that was never talked about was they never did the dangerous jobs that make society possible on the physical level. 90% of work deaths are still men doing dangerous jobs. My local union had 1200 members and only 4 of them were female. Without us there would be no power boilers to run heavy industry, no local refineries, pulp and paper mills etc, etc. Same in most of the trades. Big changes coming for the ladies and many white collar people too. Old fashioned “man” power will be going retro and so will stay at home women. I have a suspicion that many men are going to have no problem accepting that change.

  7. apneaman on Wed, 30th Sep 2015 11:25 pm 

    I also think we will see 3 & 4 generations living together again in one house. Retro.

  8. BC on Wed, 30th Sep 2015 11:31 pm 

    apnea, I fully concur. Working-class women would probably not disagree, whereas there will me a surplus of middle- and upper-income women employed by gov’t, health care, education, and financial services, expecting pensions and other kinds of transfer payments in late life who will not know what hit them from the x, y, and z dimensions, and with respect to time.

  9. makati1 on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 1:16 am 

    BC, occasionally I get it right. Or, at least, more right. ^_^

    I see things from a different perspective than most. I have no religious doctrine to bend my views or any party affiliation to sway my thoughts. My kids are all over 40 now and on their own with the responsibility that entails. Their future, and that of their families, is in their hands.

    I once loved my country before I saw behind the curtain. Someone asked me if I had renounced my US citizenship because I think it is so bad there. I can only reply that I am unable to or I would. I am not going to marry an Filipina just to get a new Philippine one. And, I am not wealthy enough to buy one. So I am stuck like a pig on the spit.

    I can only hope that the US goes down before it can ignite the global war it so desperately wants. Insanity knows no bounds, and that is all that is left of the US leadership, psychopathic insanity. The current gaggle of presidential hopefuls is a perfect example.

  10. freak on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 2:39 am 

    Over Population Nightmare

  11. theedrich on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 2:46 am 

    Senator John McCain, who (as directed by the Israel-firsters) talks loudly about the sins of Bashar Assad, is absolutely silent about the role the current POTUS and his stooge, Hotflash Hillary, have played in starting and stoking the Syrian war.  The ultimate goal of the U.S. in this, as stated by George W. Bush around 2003 or so, is to “change the world.”  That is, to subject it to the American government and its string-pullers, just as happened with Germany and Japan 70 years ago.  Presumably such a beneficent change would include expanding the population of the “emerging markets” to allow standing-room only on the planet.  The complicity of the Christian churches (which are being paid big bucks to settle aliens throughout America) in this ThirdWorld ballooning is enormous and growing, but kept as hidden as possible by the regime and the “impact” media.  It never seems to occur to low-information voters that the death of the planet is even possible.

  12. Davy on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 6:52 am 

    It is amazing to think that in 6 years we could add the equivalent of the population that is safely sustainable for postmodern humans of 500Mil. That is a measure of how out of control we are as a species. Personally I think we are near an inflection point where deaths will begin to rise but not yet with birth falling. It will not be long before we have excess deaths over births as a vast global world begins to have localized failures.

    With any of these discussions a collapse is possible at any time with catastrophic population loss for multiple reasons. I am now commenting on the alternative which is the long emergency. I might add a long emergency could at any time degenerate into a collapse. The longer we go into the long emergency the more likely a collapse at least a bifurcation to a more sustainable level per our social fabric abilities, natural carrying capacity, and complexity levels becomes probable.

    I want to also mention what Idont said with behavior sink because I believe in crisis there is change. As populations experience localized failures we are going to have dents in the status quo message broadcasted 24/7/365 by mainstream media of the cornucopians. Currently problems are acknowledged but with fixes or the problem is over there not here form the rich looking at the poor. We are going to see water shortages, localized food failures and abrupt climate change events begin to crack the facade of normality of the status quo. Just wait until we have movements of desperate people from the southwest US. It does not take much for rich people to look desperate.

    I feel we are at the cusp of a transition right here right now. We here on this board are a part of it. We are the journalist of the awakening of a world to a paradigm shift to another meme. At some point the growth meme will be dead by default. There will be no more discussions from the ya hoos corns who claim daily we are fine. I see it in my “surreal walk about” with people that have no clue to this coming shit storm.

    My response to what is coming is caution from us prophets of doom. We can only present the variables, the processes, and the potentialities. This descent will be random with the irrational and the dysfunctional. It is multilayered and adaptive leading us into unknown areas never experienced by man so without historical precedence. False predictions in type and timing are counterproductive.

    I can point to solid solutions and that must be an effort to produce food locally and without fossil fuels. We must go seasonal and be ready to preserve the food as they once did. We may not lose fossil fuels overnight but the power of fossil fuels will diminish and with it food and grid power. That in itself points to hunger and food insecurity.

    Food is the key to stability of a society. Food is one thing you can get all people to agree on. Most people can be influenced to garden and forage. People could be promoted now to plant apple trees instead of an invasive ornamental as one example of 1000. Attitude changes away from bad lifestyles to good ones that revolve around food for survival sake. Food is something that can unite us and has few arguments.

    There are many things we can change. Those things we can’t change in many cases we can adapt to and mitigate. There is a significant amount that cannot be changed or mitigated. This is the pain, suffering, and death that accompanies a die off. It is what happens in economic descents when people lose their material lives and become destitute. We are close to this momentum. The inertia of still growing growth is hiding this reality. I want to add growth that is not healthy and positive but growth none the less. Soon the momentum of growth will end and the bumpy descent begin. How long until that is a fall is open for discussion.

  13. paulo1 on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 7:30 am 

    re: The journey back toward non-oil population homeostasis will not be pretty.

    Talk about understatement!! Remember the famous quote: “The American way of life is not negotiable” George H. W. Bush

    This is what is out there. A large segement of people will send kids to war to protect what they feel is their entitled way of life, and almost all the rest simply cannot imagine this oppulent lifestyle whirling apart, or are too busy on the hamster wheel just getting by.

    I agree with Davy the bumpy descent is near. However, its beginning will be seen as other problems. First up? take your pick from debt to dysfunction. A large scale climate change induced weather event is likely on the horizon.

    Yesterday was potato harvest for us and I am bagged. I planted 150 hills this year knowing our new garden would be filled with wire worms for a few years until tilling and birds knock them back. (coverted pasture) We also planted about 6 different varieties. The winner was!!!!! Fingerlings. We must have 500 lbs of them. I said to my wife, “whatever might happen, we now officially have enough food stored to feed our extended family over the winter. This afternoon we replace a greenhouse roof covering if it isn’t too windy. This is a busy time of year for us prepper gardening types.

  14. penury on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 8:59 am 

    As a first world dwelling human all I can say is” no problems, party on dudes,” The government projections out to 2050 show no problems.

  15. Kenz300 on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 9:52 am 

    The least educated people have the most children…

    Seems that they have not figured out that each additional child takes resources away from the previous one.

  16. noobtube on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 12:13 pm 

    The least educated have the most children.

    The most educated and the so-called richest caused the most problems, do the least work, have the greatest sense of entitlement, destroy the most life, and wreak the most havoc on the planet.

    It is the ones whining about too many people that are the biggest people problem.

    America IS the OVERPOPULATION problem.

  17. Go Speed Racer on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 12:20 pm 

    Excuse me while I go jump off a skyscraper. Will feel so much better that way. ;O).

  18. Jerry McManus on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 12:34 pm 

    Hey, wait a minute!

    All the economists keep telling me that the more people there are then the more human ingenuity we have to solve problems with.

    Therefore we can never have resource problems because there will always be more people around to figure it out.

    What could be simpler?!? The more human brains there are the better off we will be!

    Plus I hear that in a pinch they make a pretty good soup…

  19. ghung on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 1:19 pm 

    CNN reporting “active shooter at Oregon College”, ten reported killed so far. Seems some are doing their best to limit population growth.

  20. apneaman on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 3:17 pm 


    “Life has always needed to solve the problem of where to safely store its complex machinery and resources, where to accumulate the resources necessary for the strived-for reproductive success.”

    “Unfortunately technological civilization does not have a life cycle. Organic metastatic cancers never last long and neither do technological ones, but they will gorge on the available glucose (oil) and grow as long as it is available.”

    “When the fossil fuels run out, the walls will crumble all the way to the cellular level and as the great technological, mitochondrial nukes melt-down with their highly toxic waste ponds, the organic barriers will be breached, the information will be corrupted and life will be further laid waste.”

  21. Go Speed Racer on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 3:49 pm 

    Funny part at the end: All that ‘what you can do’ material. and it’s dumb stuff like ‘join a group, and write your senator’ LOL.

  22. Go Speed Racer on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 3:50 pm 

    They forgot to mention, for making a difference, play old Pete Seeger records. That will save the earth for sure.

  23. apneaman on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 3:51 pm 

    The Near-Term Extinction Movement Is Embracing the End Times

    “We know the planet is in the midst of a new Great Die-Off, caused by human behavior. Less clear is whether this mass extinction will someday include us, but a growing number of people believe that it will. Who can blame them?

    We’ve already dipped into a doomsday seed vault stash in the Arctic thanks to a war catalyzed in part by climate change, and images of refugees from that war rushing past militarized border police who shoot them with rubber bullets and flash bang grenades certainly don’t look like a world on the upswing. And yet the chaos has only just begun: Some degree of catastrophe this century is all but assured no matter what we do now. Our oceans will continue to rise for centuries. And scientists suspect that “feedback loops,” like the fast-melting permafrost in the Arctic and Siberia could send enough methane into the air to lead to catastrophic, runaway climate change.

    So it’s no wonder that a burgeoning number of people are subscribing to the idea that human extinction in our lifetime is all but certain. Depending on who you ask, they earnestly estimate the climate change-caused apocalypse will unfold between a few weeks to three generations from now. There’s not a lot of data on how widely these beliefs are shared, but the believers are beginning to organize; loosely, at least. An “extinction candidate” is running for Senate in California. Meetings and workshops are being held around the country to discuss the End. And an active, private Facebook group, “Near Term Extinction Love,” to which I belong, has hundreds of members. Call them near-term extinctionists, or the stoics of climate change, though they don’t go by any official moniker.”


  24. apneaman on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 3:59 pm 

    Millions face hunger due to climate change, ‘super El Nino’: Oxfam

  25. apneaman on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 4:01 pm 

    Worried About Refugees? Just Wait Until We Dust-Bowlify Mexico And Central America

  26. apneaman on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 5:34 pm 

    What is the world’s most vulnerable city?
    From the Maldives to Mauritania, some cities are engaged in a constant battle for survival against nature’s relentless forces. But which of these metropolises is closest to being overwhelmed by sea, sand or other natural threat?

  27. Goat1001 on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 7:34 pm 

    Significantly too late, the fate is fully in the hands of nature now.

  28. makati1 on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 8:28 pm 

    Noob, you might look at this, re population:

    Philippine energy consumption for a family of 6 = 3,600 kWh/yr.

    India energy consumption for a family of 6 = 4,800 kWh/yr.

    China energy consumption for a family of 6 = 15,000 kWh/yr.

    US energy consumption for a family of 6 = 60,000 kWh/yr.

    Now how many more of the above could exist if the US did not?

    It is not large families, it is large consumption that counts. And who will hurt the most when that energy goes away? The US.

  29. Anonymous on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 9:03 pm 

    I’m training to become an engineer, and I honestly expect that my real wages won’t grow over the period of my career.

    I’ll probably get work starting at between 35-40k a year and stay at that level as energy and cost of living swing wildly upward despite becoming more and more skilled. My real wages will remain stagnant and might even go down as trying to sustain a lifestyle becomes increasingly harder and harder.

    We’ve already seen massive deflation from the height of 2005 in real wages for reasonably skilled workers in the United States.

  30. ghung on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 9:35 pm 

    Anonymous: “I’m training to become an engineer, and I honestly expect that my real wages won’t grow over the period of my career.”

    Advice? Don’t worry so much about your real wages. Do the job, learn what you can, and enjoy getting your hands dirty. Don’t be afraid to follow your nose (go where the jobs are) or to change horses in mid-stream.

    I was a contract engineer for years and never had a shortage of job offers because I understood systems and didn’t waste time competing with my peers, costing my bosses time and money. That’s an engineer. Employers just want the job done….

    ….and, whatever your specialty (try not to specialize too much), a minor in computer science is huge.

  31. makati1 on Thu, 1st Oct 2015 10:48 pm 

    Anonymous, what kind of engineer? Just curious. Not that any engineer will be of much use after. Just my opinion. I advised my grand kids to learn a skill not a college degree. A carpenter, plumber, electrician has a better future than any degree will buy them other than maybe a nurse or doctor. And they can earn as they learn, not owe their life to some bank forever.

    Real wages (purchasing power) have been declining for decades, not just a few years. There will be no ‘standing still’ in buying power. It is all downhill now and the cliff is fast approaching. You might make a million a year, but it will buy what 10,000 buys now. Wait and see.

  32. Kenz300 on Fri, 2nd Oct 2015 10:12 am 

    Endless population growth is not sustainable.

    Around the world we can find a food crisis, a water crisis, a declining fish stocks crisis, a Climate Change crisis, an unemployment crisis and an OVER POPULATION crisis.

    Birth Control Permanent Methods: Learn About Effectiveness

  33. apneaman on Fri, 2nd Oct 2015 6:51 pm 

    Accuracy Check on Predictions of Near-Term Collapse

    Barton Paul Levenson

    UK Foreign Office computer climate and economic models predict that, given no major policy
    changes worldwide, global warming could collapse the world economic system by 2040 (Ahmed
    2015). To see whether this is at all realistic, a number of statistical tests were run using a new drought
    time series. Not only does it appear that warming and the spread of drought are linked, but also that
    they feed back on one another, raising the possibility that a real danger exists.

  34. makati1 on Fri, 2nd Oct 2015 8:49 pm 

    Ap, the timelines seem to be getting shorter and shorter as we look closer at the situation. I doubt the world economic system will last to anywhere near 2040, for other reasons, but the Climate Change is going to prevent it from being resurrected, I think..

  35. apneaman on Fri, 2nd Oct 2015 9:38 pm 

    Mak, I believe economic collapse is a certainty, but like other commenters, I do not underestimate the lengths apes will go to, to keep it afloat. I also do not know how much resilience it has – it’s a monster. 2040 is way too optimistic for me. It never ceases to amaze me at the failure of risk analysis, by otherwise intelligent people, to the consequences of nonlinear AGW. Same for ocean acidification and the 6th mass extinction consequences. These environmental factors alone will wipe civilization out even with a robust economy. Most of these analysis always seem to rely on the best case scenario projections (which are mostly bullshit). The IPCC projection are a joke.

  36. theedrich on Sat, 3rd Oct 2015 3:56 am 

    A couple of ways for some few individuals to lessen the personal impact of the approaching difficulties:  (1) If possible (depending on distance to work, topography and weather, along with susceptibility to thieves and other criminals), use a bike to commute and do local travel.  (The exercise will also improve health, thereby lowering medical bills.)  (2) Get a job in the funeral, cemetery/cremation and/or undertaking business.  This should be a growth industry in the times to come.

  37. BobInget on Sat, 3rd Oct 2015 10:00 am 

    Doctors w/o Borders.
    KABUL, Afghanistan – A United States airstrike appeared to have badly damaged a hospital run by Doctors Without Borders in the Afghan city of Kunduz early Saturday, killing at least nine hospital staff members and wounding dozens, including patients …..

    I’m making a pitch for donations.

    Even a few bucks sent today, will be your vote against randomized airstrikes.


  38. apneaman on Sun, 4th Oct 2015 1:06 am 

    Obama urges Congress to raise borrowing limit, acknowledges challenges
    President warns that a quick debt limit increase is needed to avoid wider economic damage

  39. GregT on Sun, 4th Oct 2015 2:13 am 

    “President warns that a quick debt limit increase is needed to avoid wider economic damage”

    Wife warns that we need to take out another loan, to pay the interest on the loan that we took out to pay off our credit card debt, that we used to pay off our car loan.

    Maybe we’re living beyond our means?

  40. Davy on Sun, 4th Oct 2015 6:36 am 

    Greg, please tell me who on this planet is not living beyond their means. 2% of nothin is still nothin.

  41. onlooker on Sun, 4th Oct 2015 6:52 am 

    Yes we are borrowing to pay our borrowing which paid for other borrowing. Guess what we are debt slaves never to be freed till no whole system falls apart. Devious isn’t. Unfortunately, our collateral was owed to the planet and it looks like the planet is ready to collect.

  42. Davy on Sun, 4th Oct 2015 7:12 am 

    I highly recommend this article. The brass tax is we have debt that represent future production that is completely unrealistic hence we have expectations of wealth that just are not so. Folks that is delusional denial especially when our collective survival depends on it. Call it what you will digest is any way you want. We are poor and think we are rich. When those who think they are rich realize they are poor panic will erupt. Mark my world when the powers to be realize it’s the end they will panic. That is human nature. No one can hide from the wrath of Mother Nature not even the elites. I am calling this the Awakening. God help us and it is just a “Long Emergency”
    How Bad Can This Get, And How Fast?

  43. apneaman on Sun, 4th Oct 2015 4:40 pm 

    Looks like the climate change denying, big gov hating South Carolinians don’t have a problem being bailed out by Big Gov after yet another AGW jacked event.

    Obama Declares State of Emergency in South Carolina as Hurricane Joaquin Adds to Flooding
    Hurricane combines with other systems to dump rain and cause flooding in the state; search for cargo ship continues

    South Carolina Gov.: Flooding At 1,000-Year Level

  44. apneaman on Sun, 4th Oct 2015 5:56 pm 

    Beginning or End?

    “We really are a fun loving species. Where else can you find violence, sex, alcohol, food, music and goofy characters all in one place. No wonder pleasure domes sprout like giant mushrooms upon the landscape. Even at the University level college is more about entertainment for the limbic brain than it is for shaping of the neocortex.

    The ecosystem has evolved over several billions of years. Just recently an ape had the misfortune of evolving into the position of information/tool intermediary, the equivalent of RNA in cells. What does this mean? It means that a second complex adaptive system is now on the world stage guided mostly by the dopaminergic needs of humans – pleasure. It certainly isn’t guided by intelligence, doing the right thing to assure long-term survival. You have a lot of ape brains running around doing technology under a primitive mammalian guidance system and overall the process is leading them – towards a better world? Instead of having to meet tests of toxicity, recyclability and durability and ability to benefit the complex adaptive system over the long term, the temporary test like the temporary technology is whether it “makes me happy and it feels good.” That may have worked back when complex adaptive system I (DNA-RNA-Enzymes) was alone on the stage, but it doesn’t work so well now with the animalistic minds of humans.”


  45. onlooker on Sun, 4th Oct 2015 6:06 pm 

    A quote I heard recently ” The problem is we have paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions and God-like technology”

  46. apneaman on Sun, 4th Oct 2015 6:17 pm 

    That’s famed American evolutionary biologist E.O Wilson

  47. Kenz300 on Sun, 4th Oct 2015 10:14 pm 

    Climate Change will impact all of us…….

  48. peakyeast on Mon, 5th Oct 2015 9:38 am 

    @BC: Thanks for introducing me to Harari – it was fun to watch his presentation.

  49. GregT on Mon, 5th Oct 2015 11:27 am 

    “When those who think they are rich realize they are poor panic will erupt.”

    Exactly what many of us have been saying for quite some time Davy, and those who are already poor will still be poor.

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