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Climate change isn’t the end of the world

Enviroment

Yes, the costs are not evenly spread. Some places will do better and some will do worse. The American South might be a worse place to grow wheat; Southern Canada might be a better one. In a century, Miami might find itself in approximately the same situation as the Dutch city of Rotterdam today.

But spread over a century, the costs of moving and adapting are not as imposing as they seem. Rotterdam’s dikes are expensive, but not prohibitively so. Most buildings are rebuilt about every 50 years. If we simply stopped building in flood-prone areas and started building on higher ground, even the costs of moving cities would be bearable. Migration is costly. But much of the world’s population moved from farms to cities in the 20th century. Allowing people to move to better climates in the 21st will be equally possible. Such investments in climate adaptation are small compared with the investments we will regularly make in houses, businesses, infrastructure and education.

And economics is the central question—unlike with other environmental problems such as chemical pollution. Carbon dioxide hurts nobody’s health. It’s good for plants

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119 Comments on "Climate change isn’t the end of the world"

  1. Apneaman on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 12:04 pm 

    B.C. wildfire season worst since 1958
    Over 4,910 square kilometres of land has burned since spring

    “Skrepnek says it is too early to tell whether this year will surpass the 1958 season, when wildfires engulfed more than 8,500 square kilometres.

    He says the season is far from over, and that August is usually a busy month for fires”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-wildfire-season-worst-since-1958-1.4234745

    Thing is back in 1958 mass wildfire fighting was still in it’s infancy and they did not possess many of the weapons or training in the arsenal today – satellites, water bombers, helicopters, airports, transportation and commutation networks. What they had back then was crude in comparison to today.

    Bags, Belly Tanks and Bombers.

    By 1957 two different concepts for aerial attack of forest fires had emerged in North America. In some areas, particularly in the Southwestern United States, land based aircraft were used. In Canada, with its many lakes, water based aircaft were preferred. The Province of Ontario became an innovator in developing water-based waterbombing systems, with the main centre being at the Ontario Provincial Air Service base in Sault ste,. Marie (now the site of the Canadian Bushplane Heritage Centre)

    http://www.bushplane.com/research/waterbomb/

  2. Apneaman on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 12:08 pm 


    Health risk from smoky skies off the charts in parts of B.C.

    Kamloops, B.C., saw an air quality health risk rating of 18 — on a scale that normally stops at 10

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/smoke-bc-august-2-wildfires-1.4232156

    B.C.’s heat wave is breaking maximum temperature records that have stood for over 100 years: report

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3644588/b-c-s-heat-wave-is-breaking-maximum-temperature-records-that-have-stood-for-100-years-report/

    I can attest to the poor air quality. The sky has been hazy for a number of days with a strange surreal orange glow. Woe to the parents of kids with breathing disorders. My eyes have burned at times.

  3. Apneaman on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 12:09 pm 

    Italy heatwave and drought spark killer wildfires

    https://phys.org/news/2017-08-italy-heatwave-drought-killer-wildfires.html

  4. GregT on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 12:14 pm 

    Even stranger Cloggie,

    It is only 10AM here in southwestern BC, and the temperature is already 24ºC, and climbing.

  5. GregT on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 12:29 pm 

    19 ways climate change is now feeding itself

    #9. Russian forest and bog fires are growing (NASA, August 2012), a phenomenon consequently apparent throughout the northern hemisphere (Nature Communications, July 2013). The New York Times reports hotter, drier conditions leading to huge fires in western North America as the “new normal” in their 1 July 2013 issue. A paper in the 22 July 2013 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences indicates boreal forests are burning at a rate exceeding that of the last 10,000 years.

    http://transitionvoice.com/2013/08/19-ways-climate-change-is-now-feeding-itself/

  6. GregT on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 12:41 pm 

    “I can attest to the poor air quality. The sky has been hazy for a number of days with a strange surreal orange glow. Woe to the parents of kids with breathing disorders. My eyes have burned at times.”

    Same here Apneaman. Looking outside right now the dead grass is glowing a dark orange. It smells like the next door neighbour has a massive bonfire burning with wet wood. My understanding is that much of the smoke here is from the Gustafson Lake fire, which happens to be about 400km away.

  7. onlooker on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 12:41 pm 

    Wow, Greg, thanks for that link. I am not sure what more people need on this planet to understand the severity and imminent nature of climate change. It is happening and it is getting worse. I suppose some require a hurricane to sweep them away or the ocean to swallow them to believe. haha.

  8. GregT on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 1:58 pm 

    11:55 here now. All three thermometers have now reached 30ºC.

    It’s going to be another scorcher.

  9. dave thompson on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 2:30 pm 

    This is a vid I helped produce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZrDcXVy74U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVAJCpdzaT4&t=1223s

  10. Cloggie on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 2:43 pm 

    https://weather.gc.ca/canada_e.html

    Vancouver 20
    Prince George 24

    And yes there is one “hotspot”:

    Hot spot in Canada: 30.3 °C86.5 °F Salmon Arm, BC

    You really know how to pick your refuge, Greg.

    Come to Holland, 20C, lot of rain.lol

  11. onlooker on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 4:39 pm 

    Oh wow, Dave, you are associated with Guy Mcpherson. I have read some of his writings and he definitely seems to be on the extreme fringe with regards to consequences of climate change. It is hard for me to assess as I am not sufficiently versed in Earth sciences. But climate change is ultimately going to be an existential drama to be played out here on Earth, that much seems quite apparent.

  12. Apneaman on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 4:57 pm 

    Roasting and Gasping in Pac NW; All-Time Record Heat in Southeast Europe

    https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/roasting-and-gasping-pac-nw-all-time-record-heat-southeast-europe

  13. antaris on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 5:04 pm 

    Cloggie, weather for Vancouver is taken at the airport, currently 21.1 C. I’m in Delta BC right now, not far from the airport and it is 26 C. and at home, east and north it is probably 28 C. Quite nice actually because yesterday in the back corner of the shop with the machines running it was 37.5 ish (100 F).

  14. Apneaman on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 5:15 pm 

    onlooker, methinks McPherson is off, but only by 50-75 years. His core mechanisms for extinction are loss of habitat and that is the same thing any biologist will tell you. My guess is there a plenty of others in the biology fields who will not publicly state their belief that the humans are done or probably done. Would you? I wouldn’t if I wanted to keep my job and stay in the final game of ‘last man standing’ for as long as I could. Just the few scientists or public figures who are vocal about population reduction get crucified, so what do you think the response would be if you said the humans are finished? onlooker can you or anyone else show me a politician who is vocal on population control? Talking about that is a no no, same as degrowth. Cancers are programmed to reproduce and grow as fast as they can. Does that not describe the humans? All any politician has to do to end their career is say we need population control and degrowth – game over. The humans will come up with an infinite number of rationalizations why they must continue EXCEPT for the one that is true which is that they are not in control any more than the glucose sucking exponential yeast in the petri dish. Humans are the only known cancer to reject the definition of what they are. Humans hate themselves. Ever notice how much time and effort they spend trying to look different, smell different and feel different? Pretty much their entire lives. Sadly, the entire reason is to look better in the eyes of the other social monkeys.

  15. Sissyfuss on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 5:26 pm 

    Ape, could you pick a better foil for the denialists than Donald J? None of the politicos want to identify with him but they sure love his anti-environment pro-growth oil loving superciliousness.

  16. onlooker on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 5:28 pm 

    Yeah, AP, modern humans truly are a peculiar species. I don’t know if we are programmed to be as we are. I have pondered that question. I do know that we have built a malignant civilization invested in perpetuating its dominance over everything. Sadly, in a most ironic of ways we have little dominance over ourselves in the most basic of ways. Enslaved to primitive urges and desires. And now it seems we all cower in fear because deep down many of us now realize we are probably doomed. And to make it all worse, leaders and decision makers all prod or herd us along the path of least resistance, business as usual, keep the good times rolling. So if Guy is off by a few decades does not make a difference in the final outcome does it AP.

  17. dave thompson on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 5:36 pm 

    Yes admittedly McPherson’s message is frightening. However having met the man and hung out with him on more then one occasion, looking at his background and where he is today. I can attest that he is dead serious and I have yet to here from a single person that has read his complete abrupt climate change essay from his website https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjTotPV0b7VAhUjyoMKHXS3BQEQFggoMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fguymcpherson.com%2F&usg=AFQjCNGaz0yiBq2ccXZgo-jSyq3Frb4l9Q that is able to refute anything that he cites and footnotes as being made up bullshit.

  18. dave thompson on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 5:44 pm 

    The latest interview. http://agitdrop.com/Indymedia_GuyMcPherson_PartOne_080217.wav

  19. onlooker on Fri, 4th Aug 2017 5:54 pm 

    The rapid loss of habitat is something that logically and potentially can cause widespread die off. But AP, is right that those who can best assess the degree of danger have strong incentive to stay quiet. We also have the paleolithic record that shows that almost all Mass Extinction Events were related to CC

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