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A Giant, Mysterious Hole Has Opened Up in Antarctica

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A hole as large as Lake Superior or the state of Maine has opened up in Antarctica, and scientists aren’t sure why it’s there.

The gigantic, mysterious hole “is quite remarkable,” atmospheric physicist Kent Moore, a professor at the University of Toronto’s Mississauga campus, told me over the phone. “It looks like you just punched a hole in the ice.”

An image of the hole in the sea ice. Image: MODIS-Aqua via NASA Worldview; sea ice contours from AMSR2 ASI via University of Bremen

Areas of open water surrounded by sea ice, such as this one, are known as polynias. They form in coastal regions of Antarctica, Moore told me. What’s strange here, though, is that this polynia is “deep in the ice pack,” he said, and must have formed through other processes that aren’t understood.

“This is hundreds of kilometres from the ice edge. If we didn’t have a satellite, we wouldn’t know it was there.” (It measured 80,000 k㎡ at its peak.)

A polynia was observed in the same location, in Antarctica’s Weddell Sea, in the 1970s, according to Moore, who’s been working with the Southern Ocean Carbon and Climate Observations and Modelling (SOCCOM) group, based at Princeton University, to analyze what’s going on. Back then, scientists’ observation tools weren’t nearly as good, so that hole remained largely unstudied. Then it went away for four decades, until last year, when it reopened for a few weeks. Now it’s back again.

“This is now the second year in a row it’s opened after 40 years of not being there,” Moore said. (It opened around September 9.) “We’re still trying to figure out what’s going on.”

It’s tempting to blame this strange hole on climate change, which is reshaping so much of the world, including Antarctica. But Moore said that’s “premature.” Scientists can say with certainty, though, that the polynia will have a wider impact on the oceans.

“Once the sea ice melts back, you have this huge temperature contrast between the ocean and the atmosphere,” Moore explained. “It can start driving convection.” Denser, colder water sinks to the bottom of the ocean, while warmer water comes to the surface, “which can keep the polynia open once it starts,” he said.

Using observations from satellites and deep sea robots, Moore and his collaborators are working on as-yet-unpublished research that aims to answer some of these questions. “Compared to 40 years ago, the amount of data we have is amazing,” he said.

Antarctica is undergoing massive changes right now, and figuring out why a gaping hole could suddenly open up will be key to understanding larger systems at play.

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45 Comments on "A Giant, Mysterious Hole Has Opened Up in Antarctica"

  1. wawa on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 12:02 pm 

    it could be the cooling system of an alien vessel, they choose antartica to hide to study us -:))

  2. jedrider on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 12:05 pm 

    The ‘devil’ awakens.

  3. Giani Natio on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 12:13 pm 

    Is there any volcanism present in that area?

  4. Outcast_Searcher on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 12:48 pm 

    It really is terrific the way science opens a window to further understanding of things for humanity.

    Notice how he doesn’t jump to wild conclusions about it — which is how science should be interpreted, as far as disseminating information to the masses. Cautiously.

    I would never have begun to imagine in my pre-teen childhood in the 60’s all the amazing scientific progress we’ve made in the past 50 years, and all the wonderful technology we have as a result.

    Now if humanity could just learn to compromise, live together, and most importantly, plan ahead. But I’m not expecting miracles re human behavior.

  5. Go Speed Racer on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 1:12 pm 

    We could fill it in with garbage.

  6. deadlykillerbeaz on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 1:44 pm 

    Actually, the 12000 foot icecap on top of the continent is the AGW alarmists’ frozen skulls and the hole is another hole in their collective heads.

    All of the termites combined have more methane emissions than any other source, so a doubling or tripling of the termites all over the world because the forests are growing larger since there is CO2 being emitted by humans all of the time, the termites’ emissions of methane are going to cause global warming.

    The Anthropogenic Global Warming enthusiasts haven’t realized it yet, their brains are frozen solid on Antarctica.

    Makes them clueless and their thick skulls will never thaw for another hundred thousand years.

    About the only plausible explanation for the reasons why.

    So the termites on the planet are really causing the climate forcing and the rapid melting of Greenland.

    Up in Baffin Island, the remains of the Laurentide ice sheet don’t melt at all, too cold all year round.

    Insectogenic Global Warming really is to blame.

    Time to start drinking.

  7. energy investor on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 3:57 pm 

    Seems dkbz, you have already started…

    lol

  8. Mick on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 4:27 pm 

    Good thinking gsr there’s all that plastic swirling around in the pacific somewhere of similar size we could tow it using tug boats and nets fill up that hole and after a light dusting of snow over winter you wouldn’t even know it was there. Two Problems solved .

  9. Go Speed Racer on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 4:58 pm 

    Sounds good Mick,
    the only problem in Antarctica is its
    too cold to set the garbage on fire,
    but in this case we wouldn’t need to.

  10. "Lucifer" on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 5:35 pm 

    Jetrider, it has nothing to do with me.

  11. Apneaman on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 5:40 pm 

    deadlykillerbeaz, keep babbling fuck head. I’ll keep posting the reports of ever more frequent and intense AGW Jacked disasters and you and your denier killer bum buddies can keep pretending that record after record is not getting smashed to hell. They are and almost ever day now. You may not be a victim directly but the knock o effects are going to break the national and state banks. The humans cannot keep repairing and rebuilding over & over & over.

    New record: 88 degrees in Atlanta

    “Atlanta reached 88 degrees Wednesday afternoon, breaking the record of 86 degrees set in 2014, according to Channel 2 Action News.”

    http://www.ajc.com/weather/temps-could-tie-break-record/9ChJGGAXjuVOpI8nVmxaxN/

    Like I said everyday a new AGW jacked record is broken and you scum fuck loser deniers have NOTHING except ad homs. Did you know that you all sound the same? That’s because y’all get your lame one liners from a couple of think tanks and junkie Rush Limbaugh and other bought and paid for mouth pieces.

    Rush Limbaugh forced to flee “liberal hoax” Hurricane Irma

    https://www.avclub.com/rush-limbaugh-forced-to-flee-liberal-hoax-hurricane-i-1802812536

    I wonder how many denier tards listened to the old fat junkie and ended up as face down floaters? It’s a start, but wasen’t enough by a long shot. Luckily for me I’ll get see many of you rubbed out before I go. Thanks to the laws of physics and the internet. Like I told clog, the only good deniers are dead ones. Keep up the bad work.

  12. Apneaman on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 5:49 pm 

    Significant Monsters: Climate Change Enhanced Wildfires Tear Widening Swath Through California

    “Think of the climate change issue as a closet, and behind the door are lurking all kinds of monsters — and there’s a long list of them,” — Steve Pacala.

    “This outbreak is now one of the worst fire disasters ever to strike California. One which may break all previous records for tragic loss of life and property when this terrible event finally winds down many days from now and all losses are counted.”

    … Fed by Climate Change …

    Regardless of direct cause of ignition, the fires lit in vegetative growth that sprang up after an abnormally wet winter and spring. This growth has flash-dried over summer in a region that received 10-20 percent of its typical moisture allotment over that period. Northern California over recent years has experienced severe drought, extreme rains, and during summer of 2017 flash drying of new vegetative growth. This is a cycle of extremes consistent with human caused climate change. So as with the major hurricanes blowing up over the ocean this year we can definitely say that climate change has played a role in setting conditions that enabled this event to hit a much more fierce than usual intensity.”

    https://robertscribbler.com/2017/10/11/significant-monsters-climate-change-enhanced-wildfires-tear-widening-swath-through-california/

    “Climate Change Enhanced”

    That’s right.

    At AGW we don’t make things, we make things worse.

    Worse living through altered atmospheric chemistry.


    Daily CO2

    October 10, 2017: 403.30 ppm

    October 10, 2016: 401.55 ppm
    September CO2

    September 2017: 403.38 ppm

    September 2016: 401.03 ppm
    July Temperature

    2nd Warmest July since 1880: 2017

    Coolest July since 1880: 1904 & 1911

    https://www.co2.earth/

  13. sunweb on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 5:56 pm 

    Outcast, i feel the same. I honor all the men and women who have dedicated their lives to learn in all these domains.

  14. makati1 on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 6:08 pm 

    Giani, there are about 40 volcanoes under the Antarctica ice. It is possible one of them is heating up and that could do all kinds of things like melting a lot of ice and raising the oceans even faster.

    It could also be the beginning of many starting up as the crust moves. There are about 1,000 volcanoes around the world. All of the ice melting is like taking the load off of a boat, it rises and changes everything.

    The same thing is happening in Greenland. The millions of tons of ice is melting and the land is lifting. More volcanoes? Maybe a volcanic winter will be our future? Either way, we will die as a species. Heat or cold. Both kill the food chain.

  15. Boat on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 6:11 pm 

    Antarctica is undergoing massive changes right now, and figuring out why a gaping hole could suddenly open up will be key to understanding larger systems at play.

    If water is where ice once was…hmmm….does it take science to come up with….the area is warmer.

  16. Apneaman on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 6:18 pm 

    Oh those whacky record breaking humans.

    Wow. With 3,500 structures burned, the California fires are now officially the most destructive in state history. – graph

    https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/918164571742986240/photo/1

  17. makati1 on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 6:19 pm 

    Boat, the “WHY?” is the question to be answered, not that it is warmer there. But, you do see the overall cause of the lake. Heat.

  18. Apneaman on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 7:12 pm 

    Underestimating Overpopulation 2.0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdksoUuAXDc

  19. Apneaman on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 7:14 pm 

    Study: Climate change is transforming local forests

    “In the past 20 years, Southwest Colorado forests have been in the line of fire of insect epidemic and disease.”

    “Many of these forest problems can be attributed to a drying trend from the mid-1980s that culminated in a turn-of-the-century drought with record temperatures in 2001-2003, Worrall said.

    “It was a climate change-type drought, and it occurred across the interior West,” he said. “Put in context, you have to go back 800 years in the tree ring data to find a drought that severe.”

    https://the-journal.com/articles/69322

  20. Apneaman on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 7:16 pm 

    ‘Dice was really loaded’ for wildfires exploding in California, experts say

    “But this week’s blazes also show the fingerprints of climate change, he said, a harbinger of what the West should expect in the years to come.

    “The fingerprint is definitely there,” said Williams, who last year contributed to a study on climate change’s impact on western wildfires. “The connection between temperatures and fire is one we see again and again in the correlation analyses we do.”

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires/article178066206.html

  21. Apneaman on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 7:19 pm 

    Sixth ‘MASS EXTINCTION’ is underway that could wipe out world’s species, new study reveals

    A NEW “mass extinction” is underway and is set to worsen the world’s current “biodiversity crisis”, new study claims.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/864853/Mass-extinction-Biodiversity-Dinosaurs-Animals-Earth-Conservation

    The species Cancer Ape Consumeranus won’t see the next century

  22. Apneaman on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 7:22 pm 

    Climate change and extreme weather driving migration

    “For the first time, a University of Otago researcher has shown that not only are the effects of climate change influencing people’s decision to migrate, it is actually a more important driver than income and political freedom at the origin country.”

    Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-10-climate-extreme-weather-migration.html#jCp

  23. Boat on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 7:37 pm 

    mak,

    Have you missed ape’s thousands of posts? The why is climate change caused by co2. If you have more questions, ask away. Ape can teach you how to Google beyond those 70 websites you read every day.

  24. makati1 on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 7:57 pm 

    Boat, you cannot have an open water lake in the middle of an ice field without a heat source from below causing it. It is NOT heat in the air or the whole ice pack would be melted.

    Do you understand physics?

  25. Go Speed Racer on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 8:08 pm 

    Human species very dumb.
    Can put out fires with 747 water tanker.

    The 747 is a gas guzzler compared
    to newest designs. There’s a brazillion
    of them surplus in the desert.

    We could retrofit a hundred of them to
    drop water. The equipment is already
    built, just waiting to be modified.

    Instead we have only one 747 water
    dumper. Cause politicians are
    dumber than one cellled organism.

    Link
    https://www.cnet.com/news/747-supertanker-fights-california-wildfires/

  26. creedoninmo on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 9:02 pm 

    The BBC had a segment a week or two ago saying that scientist had found 90 plus volcanoes along the coast of Antarctica. I have believed for a long time that some of the warming of the Pacific was due to volcanism. Maybe they have finally found the source.

  27. Duncan Idaho on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 10:00 pm 

    Well, it was cold in the beer cooler at the Monster Truck Rally.

    That is enough evidence for me the planet is cooling.
    Don’t you know the truth!

  28. Bloomer on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 10:18 pm 

    The fires here in British Columbia are starting to go out thanks to our early snowfall.

    A big hole you say in ice. Probably a liberal hoax to bring down capitalism. Holes are our friends.

  29. Apneaman on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 10:33 pm 

    creedoninmo sounds like a bot or shill. They always make claims but never have a link. The internet version of “some guy told me”.

    I don’t have anything to say about the hole. Why? Not enough evidence yet.

  30. Shortend on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 11:14 pm 

    Must mean the planet is cooling! Yes, it does, Trump said it is and the hole is so cool…We are solo fcked I don’t even pretend to care anymore. I come here to read heated debates about total BULLSHT about fast or slow collapse. What the FCK, are people that blind?

  31. DerHundistlos on Wed, 11th Oct 2017 11:29 pm 

    deadbraincells-

    I have a serious question. Are you not in the least bit embarrassed by your anger-filled, denialist postings? You portray yourself as a person with no intellectual abilities nor curiosity. You react on a purely emotional basis without any desire to understand the science. For example, while you think it’s a joke, the fact of the matter is scientists have known for many years that termites are indeed a significant source of greenhouse gases, specifically methane.

  32. GregT on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 12:43 am 

    Who is “deadbraincells”?

    And why are there so many more termites now, with all those millions of hectares of dead and dying forests all around the world, due to Anthropogenic climate change?

  33. DerHundistlos on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 12:52 am 

    @ deadbraincells = deadlykillerbeaz

    The largest concentration of termites exists in the Savannahs, and as a consequence of Rapid Climate Change more areas are converting from forrest to savannah.

  34. GregT on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 12:59 am 

    Thanks Derhund, after reading his above comment, I get it now.

  35. peakyeast on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 2:07 am 

    cc will only be a problem 4 a few survivors

  36. deadlykillerbeaz on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 5:01 am 

    Just kidding! Never mind. Don’t have to get so huffy. Get some sleep apneaman, it always helps.

    By the way, when you use the word fuckhead, it is one word, you must combine the two words to form a compound word, in this case, fuckead. When you separate the two words, fuck is the verb and head is the direct object.

    Gotta have some fun sometimes.

    Cheers!

  37. Theedrich on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 5:41 am 

    Actually most volcanoes are submarine.  It would be interesting to find out whether there is one at the bottom of the Weddell Sea, especially since the above-mentioned polynia is appearing in the same place as one four decades ago.  Volcanoes have a habit of being only intermittently active.  It might explain the heat causing the hole in the ice.

  38. deadlykillerbeaz on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 5:56 am 

    Actually, the climates across the globe have changed. The glaciers in Glacier National Park have receded considerably the past one hundred years. Plenty of photo evidence to support the fact.

    In some areas of California, the land subsidence has lowered the land surface up to 29 feet. So much ground water has been removed from the aquifers out there in the San Joaquin Valley, the land keeps sinking from slump.

    The water from aquifers doesn’t disappear or leave the earth, has to be somewhere. One billion people to 7.5 billion people makes for 7.5 times more water in human bodies. That’s where some of it is.

    Fossil water deep under the Sahara is being pumped for irrigation.

    Although it is now the largest desert on Earth, during the last ice age the Sahara was a savannah with a climate similar to that of present-day Kenya and Tanzania. The annual rainfall was much greater than it is now, creating many rivers and lakes that are now hidden under shifting sands or exposed as barren salt flats. Over several hundred thousand years the rains also filled a series of vast underground aquifers. Modern African nations are now mining this fossil water to support irrigated farming projects.

    https://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view.php?id=57868

    Since the ice cap on Antarctica is growing, humans are probably pumping the ground water where it has been for millions of years and sending most of it to Antarctica in the form of precipitation.

    A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

    Makes matters even worse.

    And, yes, the termites are increasing their range and distribution. More species on Hawaii due to human activity importing them there.

    Makes matters even more worse.

    Cheers!

  39. Apneaman on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 6:49 pm 

    deadlykillerdenier, why are you posting a link from 2 years ago with data from 2 years ago? That article is dated Oct. 30, 2015. Today’s date is Oct. 12, 2017. Why would you do that? Do you think they stopped measuring on Oct 30 2015 and there is no new data? No we all know the desperate and pathetically obvious denier cheery picking you are attempting. Do you think the readers are that stupid? Clog tried the same trick with the same 2 year old data a few months back. Your denier tactics are cookie cutter. You know what it make you right? A deceiver. A liar. That means you are a man without honor. A lying sack of shit denier. You know that your efforts combined with the other true believer efforts and your denier overlords high dollar efforts has lead to much destruction, suffering and deaths that did not have to happen. For the overlords it’s about the power and money and for useful idiot disciples like you it’s about protecting your beloved and precious worldview. Is it worth it? Your country and civilization itself is being torn apart by the unstoppable consequences of AGW.

    Hey, how about some up to date data and measurements on some other Antarctic ice? The sea ice. Apparently they did NOT stop measuring and collecting data on Oct 30 2015 after all. Whoda thunk it?

    End-of-summer Arctic sea ice extent is eighth lowest on record

    “Date:
    September 19, 2017

    Source:
    NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center

    Summary:
    Arctic sea ice appeared to have reached its yearly lowest extent on Sept. 13, scientists have reported. Analysis of satellite data showed that at 1.79 million square miles (4.64 million square kilometers), this year’s Arctic sea ice minimum extent is the eighth lowest in the consistent long-term satellite record, which began in 1978.”

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/09/170919160152.htm

    deadlykillerdenier, did you even read the link you posted or is just a copy N paste from denier central?

    “We’re essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica,” said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. “Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica – there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas.” Zwally added that his team “measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas.”

    “But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica’s growth to reverse, according to Zwally. “If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they’ve been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years — I don’t think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses.”

    I don’t think it means what you think it means.

    Anyway, you are a lying sack of shit. You may be a true believe, but you are still using dirty tactics and trying to deceive. Denier scum and a threat to your country and own family and the world.

  40. Apneaman on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 6:56 pm 

    My bad, my example is Arctic ice, not Antarctic.

    The Arctic. The air conditioner for the northern hemisphere.

    There are 4 measurements for ice, but volume is the most important.

    Let’s take a time lapse look at what has happened to the volume of Arctic ice over the last years

    Arctic Sea Ice Minimum Volumes 1979-2017 – 32 seconds

    “Latest visualization of the startling decline of Arctic Sea Ice, showing the minimum volume reached every September since 1979, set on a map of New York with a 10km grid to give an idea of scale. It is clear that the trend of Arctic sea ice decline indicates that it’ll soon be ice-free for an increasingly large part of the year, with consequences for the climate. The rate of ice loss in the Arctic is staggering. Since 1979, the volume of Summer Arctic sea ice has declined by more than 80% and accelerating faster than scientists believed it would, or even could melt.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh3oakgxZ9w

    Researchers link western wildfire activity to arctic warming

    http://www.news.appstate.edu/2017/10/12/wildfire-activity-and-arctic-warming/

  41. Apneaman on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 7:10 pm 

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$-AGW-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Houston developing plans to make roads safer during flooding

    http://abc13.com/houston-strives-to-make-roads-safer-during-flooding/2521167/

    Manitoba to receive nearly $800,000 to protect against flooding

    https://globalnews.ca/news/3799856/manitoba-to-receive-nearly-800000-to-protect-against-flooding/

    U.S. loan to Puerto Rico a start, but more aid to come: official

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-puertorico-aid/u-s-loan-to-puerto-rico-a-start-but-more-aid-to-come-official-idUSKBN1CG1JU

    The humans can neither spend nor engineer their way out of it. These are little bandaids.

  42. Apneaman on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 7:15 pm 

    Record Amazon fires stun scientists; sign of sick, degraded forests

    “With the fire season still on-going, Brazil has seen 208,278 fires this year, putting 2017 on track to beat 2004’s record 270,295 fires.”

    “Scientists warn of a dangerous synergy: forest degradation has turned the Amazon from carbon sink to carbon source; while globally, humanity’s carbon emissions are worsening drought and fires. Brazil’s rapid Amazon development deepens the problem. Researchers warn that mega-fires could be coming, unless trends are reversed.”

    https://news.mongabay.com/2017/10/record-amazon-fires-stun-scientists-sign-of-sick-degraded-forests/

    “unless trends are reversed.”? Cancers don’t do reverse.

  43. Apneaman on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 7:20 pm 

    California’s out-of-control wildfires are officially the worst in state history.

    http://grist.org/briefly/californias-out-of-control-wildfires-are-officially-the-worst-in-state-history/

    Hurray for the record breaking cancer apes.

  44. Apneaman on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 7:57 pm 

    connect the dots.

    102 million dead California trees ‘unprecedented in our modern history,’ officials say – Nov 18 2016

    “The number of dead trees in California’s drought-stricken forests has risen dramatically to more than 102 million in what officials described as an unparalleled ecological disaster that heightens the danger of massive wildfires and damaging erosion.”

    “The U.S. Forest Service, which performs such surveys of forest land, said Friday that 62 million trees have died this year alone.”

    “Even with a historic deluge this winter, Moore said, die-off would continue for at least a year or two.”

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-dead-trees-20161118-story.html

    California just finished its hottest summer in history — these record-breaking fires are no coincidence.

    https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/918222425329876992/photo/1

    They knew it was coming or had a high probability.

    Hot weather, dead trees and too much rain add up to dangerous fire season in California
    Forestry workers race against time to cut down dry timber amid record-setting heat wave – Jun 28, 2017

    “Hundreds of workers deployed in forests across the state have to remove as many dead trees as they can before lightning or a match set California’s forests alight.

    Even though it’s only the start of the fire season, it already looks like it’s going to be a bad one.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/california-fire-risk-drought-weather-1.4180925

    The state threw it’s might at the predicament and look at the result/consequences anyway. It probably would have been even worse if not for the effort, so I don’t consider it wasted – it saved some lives and property. It does demonstrate the severity of the predicament.

    Update

    At least 29 dead in horrific California wildfires, hundreds missing

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/29-dead-horrific-california-wildfires-hundreds-missing/story?id=50383162

    It’s not rocket science, just cause and effect.

  45. deadlykillerbeaz on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 11:55 pm 

    Just because you say I am a denier, a lying sack of shit, doesn’t necessarily make me a denier and a lying sack of shit.

    YOU are a lying sack of shit for calling me a lying sack of shit. Makes you a dumb shithead and quit using insults and invective, it ain’t gonna work. Dumbass.

    You are living in denial, which is quite obvious. Might even make you another fuckhead, correct spelling, of course.

    Get some sleep, relax and stop calling me your family names! You’re getting obnoxious.

    Must have got your goat! I am going to keep it too!

    As for wind turbines, angry victims of wind turbine noise are taking charge and taking aim:

    Victorian Police Perplexed: Furious Neighbours Continue to Shoot-Up Noisy Wind Turbines

    There are any number of reasons why someone would get angry enough to start plugging away at these things.
    To the obvious – such as, being driven insane by incessant turbine generated low-frequency noise and infrasound that prevents neighbours from enjoying a comfortable night’s sleep, in their very own home – can be added the frustration that comes from journalists so dense that they remain bemused by the fury and hostility that having a couple of hundred of these things speared into your backyard inevitably generates.
    To have wet-behind-the-ears reporters peddling hackneyed wind industry propaganda, such as “this wind farm powers 100,000 homes and sucks a million tons of CO2 from the atmosphere”, or – citing a former tobacco advertising guru – trotting out nonsense such as “wind farm health concerns have been dismissed by experts”, merely adds insult to injury.
    That kind of rubbish is put forward as justifying the kind of suffering that Acciona has dished out at Waubra to people like Carl and Samantha Stepnell, Andrew and Maggie Reid, Noel and Janine Dean, Robyn and Glenn Brew, Berni Janssen, Enid Thomas and Donald Thomas. For what they have had to put up with, see our post here.
    Their tragic and unnecessary suffering is a matter of public record, having been presented to the Federal Senate on a number of occasions.
    What these lazy hacks will not disclose is the fact that, since July 2009 when its turbines started operating, Acciona has quietly purchased 8 of the 11 homes surrounding Waubra that their owners abandoned; homes which were rendered uninhabitable by the low-frequency noise generated by its turbines.
    To keep a lid on its liability, and to prevent any unhelpful PR issues, Acciona forced the unwilling vendors to all sign bullet-proof “gag” clauses – that prevent them from ever talking about the “sale” (see our post here). Trish Godfrey is just one tragic example (see this article and our posts here and here).
    Nor will these intellectual pygmies pursue Acciona’s pet acoustic consultants, MDA, for presenting fraudulent acoustic reports which it uses to claim ‘compliance’ with the noise conditions of its planning consent. Notwithstanding that its wind farm has never complied with those conditions.
    In the ordinary course of human affairs, when someone’s suffering becomes another’s opportunity for ridicule, or simply gets dismissed by those in a position to do something about it (which includes so-called ‘journalists’, like Derrick Krusche and Simon Thomson), anger and frustration follow like night follows day.
    That a disgruntled neighbour, treated with practiced contempt by a wind farm developer, abandoned by the authorities paid handsomely to protect their right to live in and enjoy their home, and continually mocked by two-bit journalists, might ‘tool-up’ and start pumping hot lead into his tormentors should come as no surprise. While that kind of corporate and institutional malevolence against wind farm neighbours prevails, the likes of Acciona can expect its neighbours to respond in kind.
    This isn’t the first time neighbours have shot up wind turbines, and it won’t be the last.

    https://stopthesethings.com/2017/10/10/victorian-police-perplexed-furious-neighbours-continue-to-shoot-up-noisy-wind-turbines/

    Cheers!

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