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JRP3
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Post subject: Re: THE battery thread. Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:12 am |
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Possible advancement in LiFePO4 batteries that will allow smaller lighter batteries using even less material that last longer and allow faster charge and discharge rates: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7938001.stmQuote: The approach only requires simple changes to the production process of a well-known material. Quote: Even though it is cheap, lithium iron phosphate has until now received little attention because lithium cobalt batteries can store slightly more charge for a given weight.
However, the researchers found that their new material does not lose its capacity to charge over time in the way that standard lithium ion batteries do.
That means that the excess material put into standard batteries to compensate for this loss over time is not necessary, leading to smaller, lighter batteries with phenomenal charging rates.
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Cabrone
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Post subject: Re: THE battery thread. Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:47 am |
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Post subject: Re: THE battery thread. Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:07 pm |
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lowem wrote: There are issues with exchanging the batteries too. For safety/hazard reasons hybrid/electric batteries are usually not put in easily-accessible locations, instead they are hidden behind the rear seats (Civic Hybrid), chassis/floorboards (Chevrolet Volt), or boot (Toyota Prius). It's not a click-remove-slide-back-in affair like with laptop batteries. It's more for packaging reasons than safety reasons given the cars you mentioned. None of those even need extra batteries for range extension, since you can fill them all up like most other cars. Servicing only has to be done about once every 150k+ miles, if that. Vehicles designed w/ swappable packs in mind don't really even have to worry about much from the POV of safety if the pack andd replacement mechanism are designed properly.
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JRP3
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Post subject: Re: THE battery thread. Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:40 pm |
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mos6507
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Post subject: Re: THE battery thread. Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:10 pm |
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JRP3 wrote: Cabrone wrote: This looks more like a fuel cell to me, and would perpetuate the need to go to a "fueling" station. No thanks. No. Flow batteries can be charged like regular batteries. I have yet to see them scale to consumer level, though.
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yesplease
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Post subject: Re: THE battery thread. Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:13 pm |
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Here's some info on A123 capacity loss. 5300 cycles to 80% capacity, if accurate, is outstanding. That would make for a million mile pack in something like the Volt, provided the owner was inclined to drive that much (Taxi?).
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Post subject: High-Energy Batteries Coming to Market Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:42 am |
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http://www.technologyreview.in/business/23812/Quote: A Swiss company says it has developed rechargeable zinc-air batteries that can store three times the energy of lithium ion batteries, by volume, while costing only half as much. ReVolt, of Staefa, Switzerland, plans to sell small "button cell" batteries for hearing aids starting next year and to incorporate its technology into ever larger batteries, introducing cell-phone and electric bicycle batteries in the next few years. It is also starting to develop large-format batteries for electric vehicles.
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TheAntiDoomer
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Post subject: Re: THE Battery Technology Thread (merged) Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:56 am |
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New Nickel-Lithium Battery Has Ultra-High Energy Density http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/103 ... gy-densityQuote: The new cell has already obtained a “practical energy density” of about 194 watt hours per pound of battery material, or 3.5 times the density of a typical Li-ion battery (at about 55 watt hours of energy per pound of battery).
Using the Tesla Roadster for comparison purposes, the car's current Li-Ion battery which weighs 1000 pounds and contains 53 KWh of energy, can propel the car about 200 miles in normal use. By contrast the same weight of Ni-Li battery would hold 194 KWh of energy for a range of approximately 700 miles!
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Post subject: Re: THE Battery Technology Thread (merged) Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:02 pm |
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Compressed air seems to be an expedient alternative. OK, it may not have the same efficiency, but it is cheap and doesn't require lithium etc. You could charge cylinders at home with PV, wind power, hydro or whatever you have to hand. It would be easy to change a cylinder at a service station.
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JRP3
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Post subject: Re: THE Battery Technology Thread (merged) Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:19 pm |
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Why do you think it would be cheap? Special high pressure tanks, with poor range, special high pressure air compressor, and a special "air" motor as well. All for an inefficient system. It's a waste of time, just like hydrogen. Lithium is getting cheaper and better all the time.
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TheAntiDoomer
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Post subject: Re: THE Battery Technology Thread (merged) Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:23 pm |
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Betting on a Metal-Air Battery Breakthrough http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/23877/?a=f/&a=fQuote: The company aims to build a Metal-Air Ionic Liquid battery that has up to 11 times the energy density of the top lithium-ion technologies for less than one-third the cost. Cody Friesen, a professor of materials science at Arizona State and founder of Fluidic Energy, says the use of ionic liquids overcomes many of the problems that have held back metal-air batteries in the past. "I'm not claiming we have it yet, but if we do succeed, it really does change the way we think about storage," says Friesen, who was named one of Technology Review's top innovators under 35 in 2009.
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