Say, that oil is of abiotic origin for the sake of argument.
Does it mean that we can drill into a mantle?
How FAST it is made in a mantle anyway?
Did anyone hear about oil belching vulcano? (this would be a fun).

I have another suggestion:
Why not to mine a CORE?

Just because fluoride is bad for you does not mean that PO is not real. Like I said it is just the way "science" works. Again like I said look up as much info as you can on it and it will open your eyes a bit. But hell or don't it's up to you.

If I had anything of substance ? Ha I have so many papers and stuff stored on my PC to keep me going for ages, and have wiped just as much because I have run out of room. But having someone show you each and every little detail would do nothing. You need to be able to look into it for yourself and come to your own conclusions. People get stuck on a certain subject the fail to look at other events throughout history. I could post hundreds of links to articles I have read or even books that I have read on oil history and history in general, but would anyone read them ? Have you finished reading the links from JF Kenney or even Lynch. Or the ones I provided that show how the "oil crisis" came about and who was behnind it ( You can don't even have top read the whole book ). Yet you say that there isn't any substance to what I have said.

As for the oil companies advertising that PO doesn't exist. What about the oil companies that have spent millions stating peak oil is real ? What about the websites and forums they have started up ? How about the fact that the ASPO was funded by companies such as Halliburton and Sclumberger ?

As for abiotic oil having no relevance. I guess that depends on how you look at it. Perhaps you are right. But if abiotic oil is right then how can you be sure that the info you received from the oil companies and so called experts is right ? If they falsified the whole "fossil fuel" thing, what else have the lied about ? Does that mean that different ways of searching for oil would work ? Does it mean that known oil reserves are even larger than stated by the oil companies ? Surely they are the ones who benefit when oil supplies are resticted aren't they.

Oh as for oil and volcanoes. Surely you aren't that ignorant on the subject are you ? DO you know where all the worlds largest oil deposits are ? They are all in areas filled with mud volcanos. Do you know what is erupted out of mud volcanos ? Oil and gas. They even have a gas fields hanging of the side of a volcano in New Zealand. Oh and just because all the major oil fields are near mud volcanos doesn't prove the abiotic origins of oil, just your point of volcanos and oil showed a little ignorance ( thats not an insult by the way because I'm ignorant on a lot of subjects as well )

It's funny I just read something on the proces of creating biogenic oil in a lab. It was to show that oil has been formed in a lab biogenically. But if you read the papers by Kenney he explains how the process that they used are not replicated inside the earth. Anyway I am not stating that abiotic oil will produce at a certain rate. Even Kenney does not state that. But anyway.

As for Shale oil... I guess if reading JF Kenneys paper is something your not willing to take the time to do then me posting other links into shale oil formation is pointless. Besides it's discussed in his papers anyway.

Err sorry for the sarcasm there. If I get time over the next couple of weeks I'll write up something brief for you guys to have a read of. Been meaning to do it for ages anyway. I won't have the internet again for a couple of weeks so I must apologise if I don't come back and reply in here for a while. It's either pay for my electricity and internet bill or buy food, so I'll have to do without both for a while so I can still eat. It'll be good to get a break from everything anyway.

If shale is explained in the papers, then I'd dabble at them. I was just trying to see if it was actually explained at all.

Which ads have oil companies taken out addressing PO? I'm surprised they weren't shown on here...

I guess the hardest thing to accept about all of this (companies manipulating on a grand scale) is the fact that they need a motive. What is the motive? Well, if you're going to these large scale operations, it always turns out to be global domination or police states, etc. Why would they want to do this? They make a fucking killing off of keeping us as 'free' slaves as it is. If they limit production, production which we NEED to survive, then the popluation will shrink. Less population equals to less wealth and profit for them as there won't be as many people to buy their junk and fill their treasuries. I have a hard time finding any motive for them to want to 'manufacture' all of this. Cheap and, more importantly, plentiful oil is what keeps the world safe. What happens when a massive depression hits? People will go ape-shit and probably go after the rich. Now why would oil companies want to be the target of mobs? If you don't think it's possible, just look at Nigeria.

I can not see any reason, why big oil corporations would go to conspiracy, saying that oil is scarce.

Doing so would help to drive attention to other sources of energy (wind, nukes etc.) and sales of oil would go down without price increases.
Coal liquification would also crop in faster (it still will) and demand for oil would be still reduced.
When in the future oil will go really scarce, no one will need it any more. Once a price exceed certain limit (say $300 per barrel), remaining oil will become obsolete. Few wars may be runned meantime to keep the oil BELOW this critical price as long as possible.

In respect to vulcanos:
I am still not aware of an oil belching vulcano, but I am aware that there is particulary rich plant vegetation in surroundings of vulcano.
People elect to live there even if dangerous. They have a reason for it.
This rich plant vegetation is coherrent with BIOTIC origin of oil.
Analysis of fresh vulcanic ashes and deposits is failing to find an oil there.
It rather looks like erruptions are killing a plant/animal life around vulcano from time to time and some remains of this organic materials are ending up as oil mixed with pumice etc.
The entire process (dead plant/dino to oil conversion) would still take few milions years to complete.

A good friend of mine, Lloyd Sloan, is going to be interviewing Craig Smith on Monday (8/14/2006) at 5 PM CST on WGNU 920AM in St. Louis. You can listen if you want from this URL: http://www.wgnu.net/ (warning, worst website design ever).

The show's website is: http://thesloanrangershow.com/

Craig Smith co-authored Black Gold Stranglehold with Corsi (I had him decline an interview with Corsi but Smith got through). While I am peak oil aware and understand a lot of the concepts, I'm not sure how to approach someone espousing abiotic oil.

What questions/arguments would you recommend? How would you pick him apart? As well, it's a call in talk show; feel free to call in, Lloyd would appreciate it.

PS - I've contacted a couple of peak oil experts regarding interview possibilities but no one seems to be doing interviews (I understand why, they get tired of providing bad news, while the shills try very hard to get their message out). If you would be willing to do an interview let me know and I can get you in contact with him or his assistant. He would like to cover energy, he's just having a hard time getting decent interview contacts.

Thanks.

How do you explain the fact that in every known oil/gas reservoir the hydrocarbons are depleted in Carbon-13, given that the only chemical process known to cause such depletion is photosynthesis?

1) What do you smoke and/or inject into your bloodstream?

2) Where do you buy such substances?

3) Are there any side effects from those (except the obvious being belief in abiotic oil)?

4) Let's suppose that abiotic oil is in fact true. How does that overturn oil production (ie. exploitation) and its peaking? Just because it comes from a replenishable source does not mean that it disproves peak oil. Peak oil is about production flow rates. Is there any hope that abiotic oil would be able to provide for continuously increasing amounts of oil produced within a constrained time period (day, month, year)?

ChumpusRex2, do you have any handy links regarding this line of discussion? We don't have a lot of time till the interview and LLoyd will be out of town this weekend. I'm going to run research for him but time is short on my side.

mekrob, Point #4 is excellent, thanks for that. As for drugs, it's probably some sort of hallucinogenic.

Ask him why the texas oil fields haven't magically re-filled themselves by now.

Better yet (since Texas produces a good bit of oil), ask why does PA only produce 7,000 barrels per day.

Why does oil form in sedimentary rock? Why do oil formations contain salt water? Why is oil and natural gas trapped under salt domes? Why is there biological material in oil formations?

Were you dropped on your head when you were a baby?

I am a practicing petroleum engineer. I can assure you that the oil companies would not be going out into the dep waters if there was not easy oil to be found in their existing fields which were being refilled. Heck they even sell the depleted fields to others.

In some regions their are huge formations of source rock which continue to recharge some fields. However the rates are no where close to those of explotation. That is the key issue with this. The rate of recharge vs. rate of production.

Take Care ad have fun debating

Just nod your head and then gently introduce the idea that 'reality sucks'.

As they start to nod faster just keep in time.

The first head that drops off its stalk is the one that you need to counter. There are some good facts in the 'Al Bartlett' tape that you can come back in with.

Best of luck!

JPL.