big,
Fell free to blame me for all the problems in the world. Hell, my wife does.

Agree, maybe you should have done a background check on this guy. Please take the time to enter the world of Joe Vialls.

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/

The guy is barking mad. He is one of the people who believe the colored decoration on the donuts contain a subliminal message from the CIA. His hole world is a scam, everything.

I imagine this sad old geezer,somewhere in a mental institution, rambling away on his keyboard.

Well judge by yourself. These are some other articles from our hand.

Prince Charles and Camilla Victims of Pulsed-Strobe LTL Weapon
"Al-Qaeda" Torture Paul Johnson in Dallas
Mrs Saddam says Saddam not Saddam - Confused?
Monstrous Massacre in Fallujah - Will Miami be Next?
Potassium Deficiency Scam Kills & Maims Millions in West
Media Terrorists Explode Bomb in Australia
American Alchemists in Iraq Transmute Silkworm to Scud
Cyclone Zoe - A Natural Event or Weather Warfare?
Indonesian Parliament Claims Bali Was a Micro Nuke
London Hints Bali Bomb Might Be "Dirty" Radiological!
Israel Uses Blatant Subliminal TV Techniques Against America
There Was No Collision Between Russian & DHL Jets
Schoolboy Steinhauser Not Guilty of Erfurt Mass Murder
America Creeps Slowly Towards Paramilitary coup d'etat

I decided to take an in-depth look at that article so we would have a bunch of points to bring up to refute people who would point to this man’s “theory.”

1) He claims that the Vietnamese have begun drilling super deep oil fields.

"10 wells were drilled with total 55,800 m depth" - http://tinyurl.com/5mkg5

From this PetroVietnam report we see that they have indeed drilled many wells beyond the 5k “limit” due to oil cracking at 300 deg F. So they either get gas out of it or the land they drill over has a low geothermal gradient.

So this seems true. They do drill many wells very deep. This seems like the only factual statement in his document.

2) He claims that the Russians have the "edge" on super deep oil.

"The problem here is that unlimited oil reserves do exist inside planet earth, and the Russians long ago developed the advanced technology necessary to recover these unlimited oil reserves in an efficient and timely manner."

All modern oil companies drill at fantastic depths, as deep as oil could possibly exist. The claim that only the Russians and the Vietnamese drill that deep seems ridiculous. The UK holds the record in deepest oil fields (Wytch Farm M11). The Kola SG-3 field he puts a picture up about has nothing to do with oil at all. It's meant to study rock permeability, water flows, rock formation and the magnetic field of the earth. (useful data for oil people, but not an oil well by any means) The following links show that Western oil companies do indeed drill very, very deep.

Drilling at 17k feet
http://www.ocsbbs.com/OCSBBS/public/sale169bjw.htm

Record oil field depths
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... i_54063584

Oil Depth Record
http://www.spe.org/spe/jsp/basic/0,,110 ... 22,00.html

3) He claims that oil fields get clogged like an oil filter and you can simply drill another well nearby to achieve previous production levels.

"Look at a simple example: Say we have a small oil field in Iraq with ten wells that each started out in life producing 10,000 barrels of oil per day. Fine, for a known investment we are producing 100,000 barrels of oil per day from our small field, at least for a while. Five years later contamination may have slowed our overall production down by ten percent to 90,000 barrels per day. So we are now faced with a choice: either "do an oil change" on all ten existing wells at vast expense and down time, or simply drill one additional well into the same reservoir, thereby restoring our daily production to 100,000 barrels with the minimum of fuss. Take my word for it, ninety-nine percent of onshore producers will simply drill the extra well."

This goes against all known production profiles of all known oil fields. You simply cannot just stick another well in and get the same level of production. While oil wells do clog with debris and "changing the filter" may help extraction rates of a particular well, you loose pressure over time and it does not refill at anywhere near the extraction rates.

http://www.fe.doe.gov/programs/oilgas/eor/

4) He claims that oil companies don't drill more wells when fields begin to sputter, because… um... because they cannot afford them. Seriously, he says this. I don't understand his blinders on this issue because the idea seems so completely absurd.

"'Peak Oil' also claims that we will shortly be unable to pump sufficient oil out of the ground to keep up with demand. Completely misleading propaganda again. We could drill more wells, but Wall Street cannot afford to pay for them, and never intended to, at least not while it still believed conquest and eternal occupation of the Middle East was a realistic possibility."

Then, in a blazing recognition of the actual problem he says

"Professor Poleo makes it quite clear which direction the west needs to go in if it is to survive in the long term, and that is to follow Russia's example by sharply reducing domestic consumption."

and

"Russian studies of their own ultra-deep wells and those in the White Tiger field in Vietnam, indicate in very rough terms that migration from the mantle is probably 20-30% less than production at Middle East wellheads, meaning in turn that if the flow rates of existing Iraqi and Saudi wells are reduced by about 30%, oil supply and production can and will continue forever, constantly replenished by ultra-deep oil from the mantle itself. It goes almost without saying that even with production reduced by 30%, there is more than enough oil in the Middle East to provide for America's increasing usage for at least the next century"


For a supposed oil insider who claims involvement with one of the more contentious oil projects in Indian history (http://parliamentofindia.nic.in/ls/lsde ... 089101.htm) he certainly doesn't seem to understand much about how oil works, or economics for that matter.

BTW. He claims to have left the industry due to his discovery of documents proving that a Garwar sized field exists under the Falkin Islands and the "Zionists" killed everybody who knew about the field but him.

In conclusion, his inability to understand the dynamics of peak oil does make it likely that he once belonged to the oil industry. Unfortunately, he has not learned much about oil since then and certainly hasn’t studied the science behind the Peak Oil phenomena. He contradicts himself in several places in the document, makes wild claims without any sort of data backing him up. As he said in the article you don't need to study this issue, “Take my word for it…” No thanks, I’d rather think for myself.

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EntropyFails

EntropyFails, that was truly an interesting read. I am generally quite happy to write off anyone who claims the whole world is one big Zionist scam as a nutter. Thanks for giving me some reasons.

Your researched response demonstrates that either you are truly fearless in the pursuit of truth and are willing to go far beyong the call of duty, or, that you really need a new girl/boy friend... :D

"Campbell is just the tip of a giant iceberg of academic Peak Oil 'experts' who suddenly appeared en-masse to give you this frightening news ..."

I'm a little disappointed that he neglected to mention MK Hubbert and Donella Meadows, who've been trying to warn us since the 60's/70's.

In any case, this reminds me a little bit about Zeno's Paradox which I first heard of, in all places, a Knight Rider episode : "what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?"

In our case,

Irresistible force : "Growth".
Immovable object : "The Limits to Growth".

Something's gotta give.

Man...

You folks are still clubbing this baby seal?

brutal...

Well, like I said before I am not an oil man so I can't say much on the scientific theories.

BUT

If given the choice between drilling deep wells and war to steal oil I think war would be chosen by this administration. Drilling deep wells and having peacetime prosperity is bad for the select few who make killings from wartime contracts and are PAC donors. Also, if the world stays peaceful other nations will have money and time to develop technology to better their existance.

With war military hardware is built, supplies are used, papers sold, advertising done in war media, etc. Many people make many $$$$s. Also, war is a means to cripple the other peoples of the world. If they are busy trying to fight and stay alive they will not have time to go to college, build things, and have a market for goods and services. Poverty will thrive.

The post WW2 policy of the govt has been this way time and time over again. I think we are so prosperous not so much so because we are smarter or better skilled. We have just kept the other man down trying to meet basic needs of life like food and water so he has been unable to build jets, skylines, and highways.

That has nothing to do with if Joe Vialls is right or wrong about is opinion on Peak Oil.

If inorganic oil were the process of crude creation, then why is oil production in the US declining?

Don't get me wrong if it's true there would sure be a whole lot more breathing space for technology to catch up with hybrids, solar, hydro, electric, fusion, microwave etc.. taking a greater role over oil.

My understanding is that the US would have some of the most transparent accounting on the status of oil wells and their production, my reading shows that US reserves are in decline with no signs of being re created.

Now middle east countries (and possibly Russia too) have an intrest in claiming they have additional reserves, it allows them to pump and sell more oil and run big spending deficits.

At this point in time my gut instinct is to say that given our high use of oil and the ever increasing demand globally that this is a resource we could effectively exhaust in the 20 - 50 year time range.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/ ... 79,00.html

I note the words - may, suggest, possibility .. but even so ....

The study overturns the view that methane and petroleum are formed in large quantities only from the decaying bodies of once living organisms.

AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

"Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in"

I can't access the article because you have to be a paid subscriber. Bummer.



Jodi

Wish i could read it... Abiotic oil has been discussed in depth on this site and others. The only non-organic oil producing reservoirs (rocks) contain oil that has been traced to organic origins ie. sedimentary rocks. Show me a gusher of proven abiotic oil and I'll start second guessing myself.

Who benefits by concentrating on the myth of Peak Oil ? The lie has been pushed down our throats for 25+ years.

ABIOTIC OIL anyone ?

The Economist ("The Argument Needs Oiling," The Economist, August 15, 2002).

Millions of years ago, tiny animals and plants died. They settled at the bottom of the oceans. Over time, they were crushed beneath layers of sediment that built up above them and eventually turned into rock. The organic matter, now trapped hundreds of metres below the surface, started to change. Under the action of gentle heat and pressure, and in the absence of air, the biological debris turned into oil and gas. Or so the story goes.
In 1951, however, a group of Soviet scientists led by Nikolai Kudryavtsev claimed that this theory of oil production was fiction. They suggested that hydrocarbons, the principal molecular constituents of oil, are generated deep within the earth from inorganic materials. Few people outside Russia listened. But one who did was J. F. Kenney, an American who today works for the Russian Academy of Sciences and is also chief executive of Gas Resources Corporation in Houston, Texas. He says it is nonsense to believe that oil derives from “squashed fish and putrefied cabbages.” This is a brave claim to make when the overwhelming majority of petroleum geologists subscribe to the biological theory of origin. But Dr Kenney has evidence to support his argument.
In this week's Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, he claims to establish that it is energetically impossible for alkanes, one of the main types of hydrocarbon molecule in crude oil, to evolve from biological precursors at the depths where reservoirs have typically been found and plundered. He has developed a mathematical model incorporating quantum mechanics, statistics and thermodynamics which predicts the behaviour of a hydrocarbon system. The complex mixture of straight-chain and branched alkane molecules found in crude oil could, according to his calculations, have come into existence only at extremely high temperatures and pressures—far higher than those found in the earth's crust, where the orthodox theory claims they are formed.
To back up this idea, he has shown that a cocktail of alkanes (methane, hexane, octane and so on) similar to that in natural oil is produced when a mixture of calcium carbonate, water and iron oxide is heated to 1,500° C and crushed with the weight of 50,000 atmospheres. This experiment reproduces the conditions in the earth's upper mantle, 100 km below the surface, and so suggests that oil could be produced there from completely inorganic sources.

Why is this not being discussed ? - seeing as it's backed up by 50 years of Russian research - how do you think YUKOS became so big ? Why is VIETNAM producing OIL ? (the US told them they had no resouces once upon a time) - dried up wells are replenishing in Louisiana (& profitable refineries are cutting back production or being mothballed) - what gives ?
(artificially created shortages to feed the lie)

see :

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=28449
(profitable refineries shut down)

http://www.geotimes.org/june03/NN_gulf.html
(oil fields replenishing themselves)

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr52.html
(dinosaur theory debunked)

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr64.html

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/wecont ... akoil.html
(Russian Oil Tech)

Alternative energies ? DOE studying COLD FUSION as the cat is well & truly out of the bag :

http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?nam ... nt&sid=918

Hot fission is NOT an alternative (despite billions of good money thrown at it) - ZERO POINT ENERGY anyone ? Dr.Eugene Mallove was murdered for his work on "alternative" energy http://www.infinite-energy.com/ - nothing new about it, it was rediscovered 100 years ago by TESLA (who btw wanted to give it FREELY to the world - you can probably find his autobiography on the net, it includes his article in the NY Times about this) - also check Dr. Wilhelm Reich & ORGONE Energy. Lookup the "Joe Fuel Cell" too (not a hydrogen cell - an ORGONE Generator)

So what would happen if folks realised Oil was NOT running out & much more efficent, cleaner alternatives were available ? Freedom anyone ?

Look it up.

RedPill

Who benefits by concentrating on the myth of Peak Oil ? The lie has been pushed down our throats for 25+ years.

ABIOTIC OIL anyone ?

The Economist ("The Argument Needs Oiling," The Economist, August 15, 2002):
Millions of years ago, tiny animals and plants died. They settled at the bottom of the oceans. Over time, they were crushed beneath layers of sediment that built up above them and eventually turned into rock. The organic matter, now trapped hundreds of metres below the surface, started to change. Under the action of gentle heat and pressure, and in the absence of air, the biological debris turned into oil and gas. Or so the story goes.
In 1951, however, a group of Soviet scientists led by Nikolai Kudryavtsev claimed that this theory of oil production was fiction. They suggested that hydrocarbons, the principal molecular constituents of oil, are generated deep within the earth from inorganic materials. Few people outside Russia listened. But one who did was J. F. Kenney, an American who today works for the Russian Academy of Sciences and is also chief executive of Gas Resources Corporation in Houston, Texas. He says it is nonsense to believe that oil derives from “squashed fish and putrefied cabbages.” This is a brave claim to make when the overwhelming majority of petroleum geologists subscribe to the biological theory of origin. But Dr Kenney has evidence to support his argument.
In this week's Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, he claims to establish that it is energetically impossible for alkanes, one of the main types of hydrocarbon molecule in crude oil, to evolve from biological precursors at the depths where reservoirs have typically been found and plundered. He has developed a mathematical model incorporating quantum mechanics, statistics and thermodynamics which predicts the behaviour of a hydrocarbon system. The complex mixture of straight-chain and branched alkane molecules found in crude oil could, according to his calculations, have come into existence only at extremely high temperatures and pressures—far higher than those found in the earth's crust, where the orthodox theory claims they are formed.
To back up this idea, he has shown that a cocktail of alkanes (methane, hexane, octane and so on) similar to that in natural oil is produced when a mixture of calcium carbonate, water and iron oxide is heated to 1,500° C and crushed with the weight of 50,000 atmospheres. This experiment reproduces the conditions in the earth's upper mantle, 100 km below the surface, and so suggests that oil could be produced there from completely inorganic sources.

Why is this not being discussed ? - seeing as it's backed up by 50 years of Russian research - how do you think YUKOS became so big ? Why is VIETNAM producing OIL ? (the US told them they had no resouces once upon a time) - dried up wells are replenishing in Louisiana (& profitable refineries are cutting back production or being mothballed) - what gives ?
(artificially created shortages to feed the lie)

see :
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=28449 (profitable refineries shut down)

http://www.geotimes.org/june03/NN_gulf.html (oil fields replenishing themselves)

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr52.html (dinosaur theory debunked)

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr64.html

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/wecont ... akoil.html (Russian Oil Tech)

Alternative energies ? DOE studying COLD FUSION as the cat is well & truly out of the bag :
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?nam ... nt&sid=918

Hot fission is NOT an alternative (despite billions of good money thrown at it) - ZERO POINT ENERGY anyone ? Dr.Eugene Mallove was murdered for his work on "alternative" energy http://www.infinite-energy.com/ - nothing new about it, it was rediscovered 100 years ago by TESLA (who btw wanted to give it FREELY to the world - you can probably find his autobiography on the net, it includes his article in the NY Times about this) - also check Dr. Wilhelm Reich & ORGONE Energy. Lookup the "Joe Fuel Cell" too (not a hydrogen cell - an ORGONE Generator)

So what would happen if folks realised Oil was NOT running out & much more efficent, cleaner alternatives were available ? Freedom anyone ? Look it up.

OK, while I agree that many of these things should be studied not the least of which being alternative energy theorys (zero point etc) let me play devils advocate.

Yukos - they are simply tapping standard reserves. no big secret there.

abiotic oil - ok fine - so maybe it does happen that way but its not refilling fields fast enough to make any difference - maybe they will refill in another 50 million years.... there is only one case where a "rapid refill" happened that I know of - it wasn't a total refill either and it could be attributed to a previously unknown reserve draining back into the known one... that was in the gulf of mexico.

As far as alternative energy goes... show me. seriously. show me one that works. If it has magnets in it then I'm not talking to you.
The best possibility I have seen is the recent re-emergence of cold-fusion. it would appear that theres "something" going on but the return power is still very small and the results elusive. Only time will tell.

Lisa! In this home we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
-Homer

ok done advocating

-G