I think Carl Hole was just mentioning this, looks like he was right. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=10977

Just because they have the word research in their title, does mean they actually do it.

I've read enough other sources and decided on my own that we are toast. Badly burnt toast. Postion yourself accordingly.

Me? I'm dumping Treasuries, paying off my kids' mortgage on 32 acres, and buying horse harness for the kids for Christmas. Then we start on the blacksmith shop.

DON'T DRINK THE KOOL AID!

Thats hard core man.

Start them on something small like twigs and gradually work them up to pulling in logs for firewood. Good idea Wisconsin.

You guys are cold!! Yeah, my grammar sucks...

Let's put in the real direct object, and try again:

...Buying harness for the kids' HORSES for christmas. Okay. Fixed it.

For real change there has to be total collapse. From the article it seems that Obama and the G20 have no intention to change things for real. So if things are not changed then we get collapse. then new people pick up the pieces of what is left. That is change, like what happened in Russia in 90s.

Twigs/kindling and pinecones is 3 year old work, the 5-9 year olds can split and stack!

-G

The son in law is 6 ft. 6 in. tall and about 250 lbs., so we plan to hitch him to the logs and drag them in one piece. Cut it up at the woodshed and toss it in. Saves loading the truck, and unloading it.

Naw. The real horse is a paint quarter horse that they will start with working it single. It came from an Amish farm and knows how to work in harness. There's another quarter horse down the road that still needs an education in harness, but that will come along. It's a community thing. They are getting their heads together about getting a community milk cow, too. It's awhole group of back-to-the-landers that are off grid. Cool place to be, just now. Far enough from the impending implosion of the economy that they might hear the noise, but won't be disturbed by it.

That is good patience, having like minded company is good. Nothing wrong with a big strong son in law either.

Interesting thread and I think hits the nail on the head. This whole worldwide credit crunch thing is a complete manufactured scam.
Perhaps money scams are the only thing the west can manufacture these days !!!!!!!!.

The $700 billion bailout also seems a huge scam.

Interesting, hard times ahead. The billionaires and bankers wealth is worth nothing if the hoi polloi rebel, strike or revolt, or perhaps do all three !!!!!!!!!!

Gasmon

Have you had any success adapting this setup for power generation?

GS wrote: "So if things are not changed then we get collapse. then new people pick up the pieces of what is left. That is change, like what happened in Russia in 90s."

Great, and now the mafia and Kremlin are in charge. Thanks for the rosy picture.

Patience's unintentionally humorous post does make me wonder what if anything other doomers and prepares-for-the-worst are giving to their loved ones for Christmas. I'm not planning on buying much of anything right now.

Anyone else?

Just shut your trap, retard. You haven't been right about, nor accurately predicted, jack sh.t since you got here.

You're an obvious disinformation troll. Or maybe just a really passionate idiot.

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