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 Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News part II
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GOod call.. Reality is back. Down 270...

Down at least 600 today, me thinks!

I need Hogan and Rocc back for some more doom...

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I can't believe how smooth this decline is. Usually declines are this fluctuation between panic and greed. There's really abrupt panic drops then rallies as the bottom feeders step in. This is just like walking down a staircase. Very smooth and orderly.

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smallpoxgirl wrote:
I can't believe how smooth this decline is. Usually declines are this fluctuation between panic and greed. There's really abrupt panic drops then rallies as the bottom feeders step in. This is just like walking down a staircase. Very smooth and orderly.


I was noticing the same thing. Global psychological adjustment?


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Hopefully... its reality setting back in...

Should be interesting tomorrow when the car companies file bankruptcy :)

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I was noticing the same thing. Global psychological adjustment?


With all the bad news in the headlines maybe the market is finally reflecting it. I could not understand how the DOW could go up 500 points when all the news was about layoffs and profit earnings down. Or the PPT ran out of money.

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Excuse my ignorance, but what is the PPT? I've been trying to come up with something meaningful for that in my head but I'm coming up short.


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Excuse my ignorance, but what is the PPT? I've been trying to come up with something meaningful for that in my head but I'm coming up short.



Plunge protection team. They can halt declines quickly


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Excuse my ignorance, but what is the PPT? I've been trying to come up with something meaningful for that in my head but I'm coming up short.


"Plunge Protection Team"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12631

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Plunge protection team. They can halt declines quickly


If that's true, then I can only conclude they must have been partying it up in Vegas the last two months instead of doing their job. :razz:

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Down 303...

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Down 200

Big drop coming today.

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Did you ever sell your short stock? DOG? Didn't you buy that around this price range? I think that was you...maybe not?


Hi Frank, I bought DOG but I setup a trailing stop. I was kicked out shortly thereafter for a small gain. ("Shortly thereafter" = 5 minutes which is a long time in these markets!!)

I'm currently holding DXD which is soaring today obviously.

The only short I have remaining right now, other than being long DXD (which is tantamount to shorting) is Ford. I was short GM too and I wish I hadn't covered.


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OK... I knew it was one that huge up day when you bought...

Down about 370

What a nice smooth cliff dive that is happening today.

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I'm currently holding DXD which is soaring today obviously.


I <3 DXD. :)

Any particular reason you were trading DOG instead of DXD? I looked at the two and I just can't see an advantage to DOG.

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They know Friday will be horrible, so no bottom feeding.

<b>Concern over shipping derivatives losses</b>

Fears are growing in the shipping industry over the potentially big losses that could emerge this week on derivatives triggered by the October collapse in rates to charter dry bulk ships.

Since short-term dry bulk charter rates fell 71.9 per cent in October, traders and shipowners have worried that traders might be caught out by the speed and severity of the fall.

Traders in forward freight agreements – derivatives based on short-term charter rates – could owe significant sums if they were betting on a rise in charter rates for ships carrying coal, iron ore and other commodities.

The sector’s Baltic Dry Index of charter rates started the month at 3,025 points and closed on Friday at 851. The 80 per cent of trades made through clearing houses were being settled on Monday, while traders who bought cash-settled products through private transactions, known as over-the-counter trades, have until Friday to settle.

<b>Domino Effect</b>

The many shipowners participating in FFA markets could also face losses if their market positions went beyond simply covering the market exposure of their actual ships.

Market participants’ concerns have been heightened by the possibility of knock-on effects from failures of investors affected by FFA market losses.

If investors facing FFA market losses hand back ships they had chartered early to owners, the ships’ owners will earn considerably less than they expected. They could face problems servicing debt related to the ships.

Michael Bodouroglou, chief executive of Paragon Shipping, a Nasdaq-listed dry bulk shipowner, said that, even if a company had not participated in FFA trading itself, counterparties such as ship charterers might have done so. He said: “Company failures may cause a domino effect,” .

The market uncertainty stems partly from the complex chains of transactions in the market and the lack of clarity about different companies’ FFA trading.

It is widely expected that hedge funds could be particularly badly hit.

Philippe van den Abeele, managing director of Castalia Fund Management, a hedge fund specialising in FFA trading, said he expected hedge funds to experience bigger problems over speculative charters of actual ships.

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There is also anecdotal evidence of ships mysteriously sinking and port facilities mysteriously burning to the ground.

I guess insurance companies will also feel the domino effect.

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They know Friday will be horrible, so no bottom feeding.

Oh I think we still have a good shot at a late day rally today.

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