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biofuel13
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Post subject: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:23 pm |
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Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 12:00 am Posts: 610 Location: Chaska, MN
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Ok stock market junkies let's give this one more try. Maybe we can get more than a page on this thread before it freezes like the last one.
Let the charts, fundamentals and prognostications roll....
_________________ "With man gone will there be hope for gorilla? With gorilla gone will there be hope for man?" --Ishmael by D. Quinn
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smallpoxgirl
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:51 pm |
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Well...this was my comment on the day (copied from the dead thread).
I thought it was a pretty good day. Basically rallied hard on the open and spent the rest of the day consolidating. It finished in the middle of all the bands, so we should be in a good position for tomorrow. On the S&P we're hitting a bit of resistance at 912 from the highs on 11/13. We're clearly above those highs on the Dow though and I suspect the S&P will push on through tomorrow without need of a big bounce. Depending on what happens tomorrow, it will be worth keeping an eye on the daily chart. We're fairly close to the upper band line on the dailies. We'll have to either bounce or turn the corner and stretch the band in the next day or two probably.
_________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Cid_Yama
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:37 pm |
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Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 12:00 am Posts: 2862 Location: The Post Peak Oil Historian
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Need to un-sticky/delete the other one.
_________________ In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
It riles them to believe that you perceive the webs they weave. - Moody Blues
“I had to choose what I was going to do. Either go down and let that define me or step up and rewrite history.” - G.W. Bush
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drgoodword
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:52 am |
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If reposts from the locked "Take One" thread are okay...
Also, major econoblog bear Mish is forecasting a near-term rally (and he's not the only one).
Quote: For all these reasons, Sitka Pacific Capital Management, the firm I represent is temporarily looking North for a change. Besides, I am tired of being a bear.
Last Friday, I reported in a Minyanville Buzz that we reduced long exposure to treasuries.
"Our Absolute Return strategy had an allocation of treasuries at 33% several days ago via (TLT, IEF, TIP). Allocation reduced to 15% over last two days."
We are still holding some treasuries for a small hedge, but overall, a selloff in treasuries now (a rally in yields) would suit us just fine. Sorry Boo, the fur suits are off, at least for a while. Let the Santa Rally begin.
From my layman's perspective, this seems quite plausible. The markets have a natural positive buoyancy, so in the absence of serious bad news or overwhelming technical forces, they will go up. Other than some retail sales figures there won't be as much bad news as there was over the past six weeks for the rest of December, and with Obama's New New Deal and the first-phase auto bailout deal agreement, I think the bulls might push the Dow back to 10,000.
That being said, I thnk by the end of February 2009 we'll be back on the downward track to Dow 5,000.
Any thoughts on a potential Santa/Obama rally for the next 60 days or so?
_________________ I had previously taken solace in believing that the other guys understood the intricacies of the global financial system. What we all now realize is that nobody understands and nobody ever understood. - Thomas Barrack, Founder Colony Capital
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biofuel13
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:53 am |
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Tues 12/09- Twenty minutes after the bell and the DOW is down -90pts.
I think the bears are hibernating though, and we can expect this rally to continue to slowly creep upwards for the next few weeks.
Then towards the end of Jan-early Feb the bear will come out of it's coma and it will be starving...then things should get fun again!
_________________ "With man gone will there be hope for gorilla? With gorilla gone will there be hope for man?" --Ishmael by D. Quinn
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smallpoxgirl
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:05 am |
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biofuel13 wrote: I think the bears are hibernating though, and we can expect this rally to continue to slowly creep upwards for the next few weeks. I think so. Sort of catching it's breath after two days of big rallies and retesting the mid day lows from yesterday. Looks like they've held, so it'll probably head upwards here directly. My prediction for today would be somewhere between -100 and +200. Quote: Then towards the end of Jan-early Feb the bear will come out of it's coma and it will be starving...then things should get fun again!
Things can be fun now too. Just get yourself a pair of horns and come play. 
_________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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biofuel13
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:09 am |
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smallpoxgirl wrote: Things can be fun now too. Just get yourself a pair of horns and come play. 
Why does that sound so naughty to me? LOL!
_________________ "With man gone will there be hope for gorilla? With gorilla gone will there be hope for man?" --Ishmael by D. Quinn
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smallpoxgirl
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:18 am |
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biofuel13 wrote: Why does that sound so naughty to me? LOL!
I'm talking about the stock market. I don't know where you're going with it.
Interesting disconnect today. The S&P is at about zero. The Nasdaq is up about 1% and the Dow is down almost 1%.
_________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Niagara
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:32 am |
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The NASDAQ seems to be swimming against the tide today.
DOW, S&P, Toronto all red but the Naz is hanging onto the green.
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Armageddon
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:47 am |
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SPG, the housing/economic thread won't open either.
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DJSNOLA
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:51 am |
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Wasnt there some discussion a few weeks ago about the Nasdaq possibly decoupling from the rest of the exchanges! It seems all bailouts are to benefit the old economy!
One other thing, does anyone think a very large and surprising supply cut out of the OPEC (which Russia seems to be cooperating with) meeting on the 17th could send this Santa rally to a screeching halt? There are rumors of another 2 mbd cut!
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Cid_Yama
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:27 am |
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Hedge funds are still needing to liquidate positions to meet redemptions on 12/31. They will sell into any upside, and as the end of the month comes closer, expect fire sales.
Just looking at the calendar, you have 2 1/2 days of low volume the week of Christmas, you wouldn't want to sell into that, then 2 days before redemptions the following week.
So that pretty much leaves this week and next week. Figure the fire sales happen next week.
_________________ In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
It riles them to believe that you perceive the webs they weave. - Moody Blues
“I had to choose what I was going to do. Either go down and let that define me or step up and rewrite history.” - G.W. Bush
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smallpoxgirl
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:34 am |
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We're kinda stalling out on the highs from 11/13-14. I'd watch it carefully. Probably will break through, but might take a big dip first.
As for the decoupling, a lot of the midcap stocks took a much worse beating on the way down, so they're also rebounding more aggressively. The NASDAQ lost over 50% of it's value at the bottom.
_________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Arsenal
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:37 am |
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If I would have been thinking about the elections and firearms, I would have bought some firearm manufactures before Nov 4th. It's looking like they will have a record Q4.
Smith and Wesson
_________________ Arsenal
"If by "downsize" you mean "dissolve in acid", then yes. Downsizing government is good." -- Dreamtwister
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Arsenal
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Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Current News III (Take Two) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:40 pm |
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-241..
I wonder if the market will spike if the bailout for the Big 3 passes?
_________________ Arsenal
"If by "downsize" you mean "dissolve in acid", then yes. Downsizing government is good." -- Dreamtwister
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