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emersonbiggins
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Post subject: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:14 pm |
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Thread continued from #3, linked here.
_________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
George Carlin
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Zardoz
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:31 am |
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Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:00 am Posts: 6603 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
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Massive drops in auto sales. How can the Big Three possibly survive?
Auto Makers Report Sharply Lower November Sales
Quote: U.S. light vehicle sales at General Motors and Chrysler plunged more than 40 percent in November, while Ford's sales dropped 31 percent, battered by an economic storm that has sent consumer demand for new vehicles to lows not seen in decades.
GM's sales fell 41 percent, while Chrysler's dropped 47 percent.
Their overseas rivals posted abysmal results Tuesday as well.
Toyota's November U.S. sales tumbled 34 percent, while Nissan's dropped 42 percent and Honda's fell 32 percent.
Like retailers of other big ticket items, automakers have taken a beating in recent months as worries about the economy and unemployment have prompted consumers to slash spending.
At the same time, some people afraid that they won't qualify for credit or that it will be too costly have put purchases on hold.
_________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
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Armageddon
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:50 am |
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Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:00 am Posts: 3692 Location: St.Louis, Mo
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Zardoz wrote: Massive drops in auto sales. How can the Big Three possibly survive? Auto Makers Report Sharply Lower November SalesQuote: U.S. light vehicle sales at General Motors and Chrysler plunged more than 40 percent in November, while Ford's sales dropped 31 percent, battered by an economic storm that has sent consumer demand for new vehicles to lows not seen in decades.
GM's sales fell 41 percent, while Chrysler's dropped 47 percent.
Their overseas rivals posted abysmal results Tuesday as well.
Toyota's November U.S. sales tumbled 34 percent, while Nissan's dropped 42 percent and Honda's fell 32 percent.
Like retailers of other big ticket items, automakers have taken a beating in recent months as worries about the economy and unemployment have prompted consumers to slash spending.
At the same time, some people afraid that they won't qualify for credit or that it will be too costly have put purchases on hold.
How can they survive ? That's easy.
Pelosi Says Bankruptcy by Automakers ‘Not an Option’
Dec. 2 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she believes either Congress or the Bush administration will step in to aid domestic automakers because bankruptcy is “not an option.”
“I believe that an intervention will happen,” Pelosi said at a briefing in Washington. “Everybody is disadvantaged by bankruptcy, including our economy, so that’s not an option.”
Pelosi said Congress will either approve new loans for the auto industry or the Bush administration will provide funding through the $700 billion financial-markets rescue plan approved by Congress last month.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... kUNf9lHUKo
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seldom_seen
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:02 pm |
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Quote: U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she believes either Congress or the Bush administration will step in to aid domestic automakers because bankruptcy is “not an option.”
Looks like we don't really have an "option" except to sit back and watch the pathetic process of the government trying to spend its way out of being broke.
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gnm
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:41 pm |
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Joined: Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 3137 Location: plundering eco-villages
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seldom_seen wrote: Looks like we don't really have an "option" except to sit back and watch the pathetic process of the government trying to spend its way out of being broke.
+1 You got that right !
-G
_________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now!
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idiom
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:34 pm |
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They should have switched to a last automaker standing policy. The last manufacturer to file chapter 7 gets aid.
_________________ The world ends without a tragedy,Time is melting into history
The sky is falling, Voices crying out in desperation
Hear them calling, Everybody, save yourself
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hironegro
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:21 pm |
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[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=ay7HZbCLGLEA&refer=news]China Property Slump Threatens Global Economy as Growth Slows
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Kevin Hamlin wrote: Dec. 2 (Bloomberg) -- House prices in Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou are plunging, and the global economy may grind almost to a halt next year because of it.
Construction of homes, offices and factories fell at least 16.6 percent in October after rising 32.5 percent a year earlier, according to Macquarie Securities Ltd. That's squeezing an economy already slowed by recessions in the U.S., Japan and Europe that have cut demand for exports. Building is the biggest driver of China's expansion, contributing a quarter of fixed- asset investment and employing 77 million people.
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hironegro
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:08 pm |
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It was awfully quiet in Atlanta last night ...
Nick Friedell wrote: How does the old saying go? If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make it a sound? After attending the Grizzlies/Hawks game last night in Atlanta, I feel like I've come up with the basketball equivalent to that phrase: If an NBA game is played, but there is nobody there to see it, does it really count?
I knew the NBA was having attendance problems, but seeing last night's crowd at Philips Arena, or lack thereof, makes me believe that the NBA's issues are more severe than I originally thought.
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Armageddon
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:44 pm |
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drgoodword
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:02 pm |
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Why Home Values May Take Decades To Recover
Quote: By Dennis Cauchon, USA Today
Rick Wallick moved into a new, three-bedroom $200,000 home in Maricopa, Ariz., in October 2005. Today, the home is worth $80,000.
The disabled software engineer stopped making mortgage payments this month. His $70,000 down payment is now worthless. His dream house will be foreclosed on next year.
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As painful as the decline has been, history suggests home values still may have a long way to drop and may take decades to return to the heights of 2½ years ago.
"We will never see these prices again in our lifetime, when you adjust for inflation," says Peter Schiff, president of investment firm Euro Pacific Capital of Darien, Conn. "These were lifetime peaks."
The boom in home prices — fueled by heavily leveraged loans built on low or even no down payments — made it easy to forget that housing values had been remarkably stable for a half-century after World War II, rising at roughly the same pace as income and inflation. Prices soared in most of the country — especially in Arizona, California, Florida and Nevada and metro areas of Washington, D.C., and New York — during a brief period of easy lending, especially from 2002 to 2006. That era's over.
So far, home values nationally have tumbled an average of 19% from their peak. As bad as that is, prices would need to fall as least 17% more to reach their traditional relationship to household income, according to a USA TODAY analysis of home prices since 1950. In that scenario, a $300,000 house in 2006 could be worth about $200,000 when real estate prices hit bottom.
The price plunge has wiped out trillions of dollars in home equity and caused the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Susan Wachter, professor of real estate at the University of Pennsylvania, fears that foreclosures and tight credit could send home prices falling to the point that millions of families and thousands of banks are thrust into insolvency.
_________________ I had previously taken solace in believing that the other guys understood the intricacies of the global financial system. What we all now realize is that nobody understands and nobody ever understood. - Thomas Barrack, Founder Colony Capital
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Spanktron9
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:49 am |
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Home Prices drop most on record (Bloomberg)
Quote: Prices will plunge further as job losses sap demand, foreclosures add to the property glut and prospective buyers get turned away by mortgage lenders. The Federal Reserve this month cut its benchmark interest rate target to as low as zero and said it would take more steps to ease borrowing as the longest postwar recession looms.
“November sales just collapsed,” said Chris Low, chief economist at FTN Financial in New York. “Price declines are accelerating. As bad as this is, it’s going to be considerably worse in a month’s time.”
_________________ Who are you going to turn to when all the crazy Peak-oil doomers end up being right?
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Atlantean_Relic
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:39 pm |
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This thread needs a mark 2 it is busted, takes 5 minutes just to load it.
_________________ Was a long and dark December
When the banks became cathedrals
And the fog
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RonMN
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:07 am |
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Yup, it does take 5 minutes for this thread to load...no wonder we have so few posts...
Now back to that smell of panic & doom in the air.
UBS closing U.S. clients' offshore accounts
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ZURICH (Reuters) – Swiss wealth manager UBS AG (UBSN.VX) (UBS.N) is closing all the offshore accounts of its U.S. clients, the bank said on Friday, as it comes under pressure from U.S. tax authorities.
The Swiss bank decided in July last year to stop offering offshore accounts to U.S. citizens after it was targeted by a U.S. tax investigation which challenges Switzerland's famous banking secrecy laws.
_________________ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
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vtsnowedin
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:26 am |
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 I'm one of the property assessors for my town. Here we are called listers. I had a owner come into the office the other day with some questions. He had bought one of the biggest McMansions in town last year for some fifteen percent less than the original asking price and a bit below what we had it appraised for. Apparently things are not going well for him and the property taxes are beginning to bite.He was asking about putting his land into current use to lower the taxes and said he was considering tearing down part or all of the house to save on taxes. I see a foreclosure in his future. I also wonder what the guy that built this million dollar wonder did with the money he netted from the sale. He had time to get it fully invested in the stock market before last October. Whose the biggest loser?
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joewp
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Post subject: Re: Housing and Economic Collapse - In Progress #4 Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:08 am |
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Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:00 am Posts: 1778 Location: Out in the streets of a runaway american dream
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How long can companies like Toll Brothers keep seeing results like this? BizjournalsQuote: Toll's building revenue cut in half Luxury homebuilder Toll Brothers Inc. said revenue dropped 51 percent, according to preliminary results, in the fiscal first quarter.
The Horsham, Pa., company anticipates taking between $100 million and $200 million in pre-tax writedowns for the first quarter, though it is still making a final calculation. Toll (NYSE: TOL) offered no guidance and expects to report final results March 4.
Its preliminary results were down across the board. Revenue was $409.3 million. Backlog was $1.04 billion, down 56 percent.
Signed contracts were $128.1 million, a 66 percent drop.
_________________ Joe P. United Political Debate
"Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is polluted; only when the last fish is caught; only then will they realize that you cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Proverb
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