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 Post subject: Citibank yanks MasterCards
New postPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:21 am 
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http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/topst ... cards.aspx

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Could banks have any less respect for their customers?

Citibank (C) has begun closing customers' accounts without telling them. That's a bitter surprise for some people who pull out their cards to make a purchase, only to learn that the card has been denied.

This isn't anything new, but it's a trend that's starting to involve more banks and affect more customers who least expect it. Pay your bill on time and keep a low balance? Doesn't matter. All types of accounts are getting hit.

* Find a better credit card

One woman tried to pay for gas, according to the Associated Press. Citibank said it was because of something that appeared on her credit report. But when the woman accessed her credit report, it only said, "Closed at credit grantor's request."

The woman said she used the card regularly and always paid the bill promptly, according to the AP. Other people have reported similar incidents. Read this person's story for more.

And it isn't just Citibank that's yanking cards. The Wall Street Journal has the story of how American Express (AXP) suddenly canceled the card of one woman earlier this year. The woman -- a lawyer, in fact -- was told that her card was canceled because of information in her credit report.

That seems to be a standard line for credit card companies. And though it seems like bad business, experts tell the Journal that it is legal for companies to cancel cards without warning.

Customers have reportedly been affected by this at Bank of America (BAC), JPMorgan Chase (JPM) and HSBC Holdings, according to the Journal.

In Citibank's case, the company said it decided to close some MasterCard accounts that were co-branded with oil companies, including Shell, Citgo, ExxonMobil and Phillips 66-Conoco.

It's fine to close customer accounts. That's business, and banks do it all the time. And in this economy, credit-card companies are getting killed as people who have lost jobs abandon payments. Banks are responding with panic, raising interest rates and fees and canceling cards to try and minimize risk.

What gets me, however, is the way Citibank did it.

AP reports that Citi closed the accounts on Wednesday, but sent out letters Monday informing customers of the change. So Citibank waits until the last minute to tell customers, most of whom probably didn't receive the news before their cards were shut down.

Way to leave your customers in the lurch.


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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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I have a couple cards I'm going to cancel. I think I'll tell them it is because of information in THEIR credit report, AKA, financial ratings. :twisted: Sorry, worthless, predatory sob's.

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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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My wife and I have no credit cards.
Wake me when you are there.
Who f--kin needs them?
More trouble than they are worth!


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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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My wife and I have no credit cards.
Wake me when you are there.
Who f--kin needs them?
More trouble than they are worth!


I take it you never order something online?


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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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mos6507 wrote:
VZR1800 wrote:
My wife and I have no credit cards.
Wake me when you are there.
Who f--kin needs them?
More trouble than they are worth!


I take it you never order something online?


You can use a Visa/Mastercard DEBIT card for this. I am setting up an account for online purchasing only, (as we do this quite a bit in our household) with the bulk of our savings/checking in other accounts, so as not to endanger those *if* id gets stolen, or something goes awry. I too, am dropping the credit cards.

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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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you can also buy a pre-loaded VISA card as I understand it, good for buying antibiotics from Russia (not that I would)


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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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This story is being buried. A quick Google shows it's being
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An aside: Chase tried to give us Negative Bonus Points. We had to go thru Marketing to correct it. The Question:

Why would Marketing be ABLE to give Negative Bonus Points.

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Those are pretty much the only options: Idiots or full of shit. (You decide).


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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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And what exactly is a "negative bonus point".

That seems like a contradiction in terms...

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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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blukatzen wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
VZR1800 wrote:
My wife and I have no credit cards.
Wake me when you are there.
Who f--kin needs them?
More trouble than they are worth!


I take it you never order something online?


You can use a Visa/Mastercard DEBIT card for this. I am setting up an account for online purchasing only, (as we do this quite a bit in our household) with the bulk of our savings/checking in other accounts, so as not to endanger those *if* id gets stolen, or something goes awry. I too, am dropping the credit cards.

Blu


Exactly. When I do order anything online, and it aint often, I use my debit card. Same as paying cash, no interest charges coming at you later. Mosi ot my money is in a savings account. I transfer just enough to the checking to pay bills, or order things.

The other day I was perusing my account information online, as I do every other day or so. I found a purchase made from Turino Italy, off a website that is entirely in Italian, (www.bakeca.it). Now I cannot speak or read Italian, and anyway, I have never been to Italy, let alone Turino Italy. Called the bank, cancelled my card, put a freeze on my account for a week, got a new card coming in seven days or so.

That is the reason to keep minimum money in the cards account.


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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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You can buy annonimous visa debit cards using CASH at some big box stores and LOL truck stops.

Nothing tied to your bank account at all... for ordering on line.

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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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VZR1800 wrote:
blukatzen wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
VZR1800 wrote:
My wife and I have no credit cards.
Wake me when you are there.
Who f--kin needs them?
More trouble than they are worth!


I take it you never order something online?


You can use a Visa/Mastercard DEBIT card for this. I am setting up an account for online purchasing only, (as we do this quite a bit in our household) with the bulk of our savings/checking in other accounts, so as not to endanger those *if* id gets stolen, or something goes awry. I too, am dropping the credit cards.

Blu


Exactly. When I do order anything online, and it aint often, I use my debit card. Same as paying cash, no interest charges coming at you later. Mosi ot my money is in a savings account. I transfer just enough to the checking to pay bills, or order things.

The other day I was perusing my account information online, as I do every other day or so. I found a purchase made from Turino Italy, off a website that is entirely in Italian, (http://www.bakeca.it). Now I cannot speak or read Italian, and anyway, I have never been to Italy, let alone Turino Italy. Called the bank, cancelled my card, put a freeze on my account for a week, got a new card coming in seven days or so.

That is the reason to keep minimum money in the cards account.


are they holding you liable for the purchase?


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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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I don't know as of yet. This happened on Friday, and seeing as how they were closed all weekend, the "48 hours to review the complaint" has not started yet. I doubt it though, after all this charge actually originated in Italy, to a site that is all Italian. Seems pretty probable it is a fraudulent charge to anyone that has a pulse. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Citibank yanks MasterCards
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Well, don't forget there is big difference between debit cards and credit cards when it comes to the ability to dispute a transaction. Say you order something online and either don't get it, or it's not at all what you ordered.

With debit cards, the money is nearly instantly debited from your account, so this is much like cash, and so if you have dispute with the seller, you are pretty much out of luck.

With a credit card, if you dispute the transaction then the credit card company takes your side and immediately credits your account for the amount in question, while they investigate the claim.

This investigation generally means big headaches for the vendor. The CC company takes these so-called "chargebacks" very very seriously. I know because I used to have a merchant account. The percentage rate the merchant pays to the CC company / bank is tied to your history of chargebacks as well, and if you get too many chargebacks, your merchant account is cancelled. And then, it becomes hard as hell to get a new legit merchant account somewhere else.

So generally if you pay for something with a debit card, the seller holds all the cards, and vice versa if you pay with a credit card. Although nowadays, I have heard of some debit cards providing similar "buyer protection" type of policies.


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The credit economy is dying rapidily, along with its currency. It is probably best to get use to it now, rather than after the fact!


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better have a debit card like it's the custom in most western countries, they can't close those.

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